Do healer need to help doing dps? Especially cleric stance?

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

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So in a nutshell, you're actually advising any aspiring healer to achieve the lowest possible standard and not improve themselves. Reducing themselves to mere healing machines and idle whenever possible? If you're really about "play like you want to", why are you condescending those who actually want to, try to even have reached a greater level of ability as:

an elitist troll.

[DarkmoonVael]

That's your opinion. If I'm being kept alive, they're contributing the scope of their job.

Skill isn't binary.

[winsock]

I consider a healer good if the group stays alive.

What if no healing is needed for a fight to keep the group alive? Does that make all healers good?

My argument goes like this:
Assume you have 30 seconds, you may take actions at the cost of 2.5 seconds, so you may make up 12 actions total.

The absolute worst performance would be wasting all 12 actions. You are arguing that taking 1 action for a heal, and wasting 11 actions should be considered 'good'.

In the above scenario, I argue that you're "bad" simply because wasting 11 actions is so near to wasting 12, i.e. the absolute worst. How would you distinguish between "bad" and "okay" in this scenario, if your standard for "good" involves wasting 11 of 12 actions?

Further, if you believe keeping the group alive is what makes a healer good, do you consider healers who DPS and keep the group alive to be better than you?

[winsock]

So in a nutshell, you're actually advising any aspiring healer to achieve the lowest possible standard and not improve themselves. Reducing themselves to mere healing machines and idle whenever possible? If you're really about "play like you want to", why are you condescending those who actually want to, try to even have reached a greater level of ability as:

Lol. Your post made me realize i had spoken with this guy before:

To be honest, regardless of stances, on my Scholar, at the lowest level dungeons, I can AFK while my fairy does all the work.

^ a winner for sure

[DarkmoonVael]

Lol. Your post made me realize i had spoken with this guy before:


^ a winner for sure

Well that explains a lot......

[wutwut81]

The expectation for any healer at level 60 is to A) know their job, B) assist with DPS when possible, even if it is just putting up some DOTs. You get Cleric Stance very early on for a reason, you get Holy, Stone 3, Assize (which is amazing in cleric stance), and the gorgeous Aero 3 for a reason. Learn to stance dance, which is becoming more and more of an occurrence w/ every job in this game. I always throw commendations at healers who help w/ DPS. If they just stand there I will nicely call them out on it and hint that they should drop at least an Aero 3 or Holy.

This goes for Scholar and Astrologians (love those Gravity spams) as well......though I still see some who haven't cross classed cleric stance yet when I do level 60 dungeons (sigh) :-/

[FoxyAreku]

Yeah, no,... if you don't at LEAST pop clerics stance for Dollhouse to help break out the 2 transformed DPS...you are bad.

This is a special case and I agree completely. This isn't even related to the argument of 'healers should dps or not', this is just related to not being a selfish douche. You're essentially making the tank run across the arena to hit these things by himself.

I'm all for 'playing your way', but not when that way inconveniences others and makes their job harder.

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There's no nice way to say it-if you just stand there making another player do all the work for you like in the situation listed above, you are not only awful, but selfish. I don't know how you can stand to be that way, I'd feel guilty if I played like you.

[Mattelot]

So in a nutshell, you're actually advising any aspiring healer to achieve the lowest possible standard and not improve themselves. Reducing themselves to mere healing machines and idle whenever possible? If you're really about "play like you want to", why are you condescending those who actually want to, try to even have reached a greater level of ability as:

Did you even read anything I posted or did you just purposely decide to cherry-pick a post?

Lol. Your post made me realize i had spoken with this guy before:


^ a winner for sure

I don't see what point you're trying to make here. Bringing in a comment from another thread where I said something was possible is grounds for your insults?

I don't understand why so many people feel the need to insult others who they do not agree with. People can't say "I don't agree because..." or agree to disagree. Not that it personally bothers me because I know quite a few here are just trolling but someone is trying to come here asking for opinions and they have to be plagued with "if you don't play the way I want, you're bad!" replies.

There's no nice way to say it-if you just stand there making another player do all the work for you like in the situation listed above, you are not only awful, but selfish. I don't know how you can stand to be that way, I'd feel guilty if I played like you.

Call it what you want. I don't feel guilty at all. I'm having fun.

OP, don't listen to the trolls here. It is NOT a requirement to DPS as a healer. If you feel like doing it, by all means, go for it. You won't hear anyone complaining but if you don't want to, don't. There is nothing they can do about it.

[Lulu89]

Your game, your time, your life...The end!

[Rolfy]

If you don't DPS when everyone is topped off then what else would you do? Really pretty much every fight that matters, including Expert Roulette bosses, are scripted enough to where you should know when that party wide AOE or tank buster comes out. Otherwise there isn't enough damage going out to the party to merit constant healing. MP really isn't an issue once you get a feel of how many times you can Holy or Gravity during dungeon pulls, or if party members aren't constantly dying.

We can spend all day splitting hair but it really comes down to this: Is it better for the party if you do nothing or DPS when everyone is topped off? The answer: it's better to DPS. It's a waste to not DPS. Your party pays the same subscription you do, they and yourself deserve a healer who is playing their best or at the very least utilizing all of their tools.

I really do wish there are more fights like Savage Sephirot where the party consistently takes a ton of damage but... nope. We can only hope that fights and whatnot get to where we aren't essentially a DPS class with healing abilities.