House flipping is 100% confirmed against ToS, send vegetable naysayers to this thread

[Avera]

All I can say is...if I ever lost interest in my house, Id give it to someone who needed it, but I can say that is probably because I know the pain of house hunting and trying to bargain with sellers.

[MistyMew]

It is time also for se to add a fair/legal and safe way for legit ppl to sell their homes then. Safe for buyer and seller (for purchased price)

Its a year+ overdue. see to it se!!!

Many many suggestions on how have been left, time to implement ..tyty se

[Snugglebutt]

That doesn't sound like 100% to me.

All your doing is grasping at straws. I dare you to buy a house and resell it in PF, you have admitted to owning multiple houses in the past so how about you sell one of those in PF and we shall have someone report you even if you do not charge an "enormous" or "really high" amount then wait and see what happens. I guarantee you will have action taken against you from the GM's. If your so confident in being right, do it and see for yourself...put your faith to the test as it were. Even if sold your house aka relinquishing it for same value as the plot itself costs people would still need to pay twice what SE set as the maximum price to buy one.

You keep moving the goal posts on this subject too from trying to use outdated GM information which has since been rectified, making claims that no GM response is right because you implied all might be photo-shopped and now you have moved the goal posts again with this time hanging on a couple words as evidence it is allowed. GM's have stated of late that it is against the ToS, they said in the past some GM's were in the wrong for giving the wrong information about the issue but since been corrected and all GM's have now been told the bottom line response from SE which is that it is against the ToS.

We have Yoshi himself saying to report anyone doing it and action will be taken against them despite you trying to nitpick over a couple words the translator used. We have evidence that people have been punished for doing it too. At this stage it really is just grasping at straws to proclaim it is not against the ToS to do it. We both know you wont put your money where your mouth is on this and put any of your own plots up for sale in PF, yet you continue to mislead other people into doing what you dare not do yourself and they will end up being punished for breaking the ToS in your place. How nice it must be for you to spread misinformation from the sidelines which will cause others to be punished for your claims...just stop it already.

There are ways SE could allow for people to relinquish their plots officially if they wanted to add such a feature but it would need to require selling back to an NPC at the same cost or lower than the amount it costs to buy from the game (not other players) and you should not be able to profit from it of which the NPC then places it back on the market at that standard normal price of a plot so it wont be the case of having to pay someone to relinquish then pay again for the plot on top. Maybe SE in the future might add such a NPC but in the meantime telling other people it is not against the ToS and they will not be punished is either an ignorant or purposefully malicious thing to do at this stage.

[Gumbercules]

but...but...what if I resell it to pay for my imaginary miquitten's very very expensive medicine!? that's not against the ToS right? D=


....Ill return the cat to Ydillshire later I promise just needed it as a prop for this post >.>

[Avera]

but...but...what if I resell it to pay for my imaginary miquitten's very very expensive medicine!? that's not against the ToS right? D=


....Ill return the cat to Ydillshire later I promise just needed it as a prop for this post >.>

=3= No, just no.

[Sainya]

I agree with a "legal" way to sell. Also would be nice to "transfer" from personal to FC. Or vice-versa.

[Nicobo]

I don't get what did OP want to say, is the post objecting/supporting something or just information sharing? ^^;

I rememebr some ppl say "why not I can gift a house to my FREIND and my friend gifts me something in return."

I don't suggest/encourage/supporting house reselling,
however, it appears some ppl forget you can legitmately resell the "house premise" instead,
they can WTS house PREMIT (type), demo of the outlook at X ward Y plot.

The original post was something like YoshiP said 3rd party tools is officially disallowed,
but don't tell anyone, use at your own risk, don't be catched. It is very clear and even not a grey area - it is unofficially allowed.
You will not get banned even eveyrone seeing you using a parser from youtube because you are the VIP RAIDER with valid reason to use it.

In OP, YoshiP said clearly "a player that is obviously utilizing their housing to sell it off for a really high amount, and you do see in party finder"
so for "the grey area", now is more concrete,
"not obvioulsy" - not obviously buying it for reselling at the first place?
"not really high amount" - maybe 3x system price is really high? But a lot of item on MB is more than 3x NPC price!
"you do see in party finder" - this one just same as don't tell others for parsers!

[MomomiMomi]

You keep moving the goal posts on this subject too from trying to use outdated GM information which has since been rectified, making claims that no GM response is right because you implied all might be photo-shopped and now you have moved the goal posts again with this time hanging on a couple words as evidence it is allowed. GM's have stated of late that it is against the ToS, they said in the past some GM's were in the wrong for giving the wrong information about the issue but since been corrected and all GM's have now been told the bottom line response from SE which is that it is against the ToS.

My "goal post" has always been the same, and that is that we need an official statement saying that selling houses is against the rules. They have given us an official statement, and it is an unclear one. It was not a simple "selling houses is against the rules" I was looking for. Instead we now need clarification of in which situations is selling a house against the rules. Until we get this, I expect people will continue to sell their houses.

You keep making it sound like I actually want house reselling to be okay. I don't. What I've always wanted, and I could even bring up a quote dating back probably 2 years, is for a way to sell a house back to the system. On top of this, I also want people to stop buying houses to resell them. As long as things are unclear, people will continue to do it.

EDIT: Here it is.

I see this exacerbating the housing problem. More houses would be bought for the sole reason of being sold to others. The rich would be ripping off the poor who couldn't afford it at the time. There would also be much less risk in buying houses for the sole reason of using them as extra gardens.

What I would prefer is being able to sell a house at the house's server value, and having the game take a cut out of it. This would allow people to get rid of houses they no longer want, whether it be to move to another house, transfer servers, or simply not enjoying or having a use for their house anymore. It would not be a total loss, and gil would still be removed from the game.

[StouterTaru]

All your doing is grasping at straws.

All you have is lukewarm evidence, and you're claiming it's scalding hot.

It appears SE is taking the parser/<UnnamedHuntSoftware> route for house selling; as long as you're not a jerk about it, they won't do anything about it.

Feel free to report those being a jerk about it, but beware. There's a point where you're the one breaking the ToS running around harassing everyone.

[Snugglebutt]

All you have is lukewarm evidence, and you're claiming it's scalding hot.

It appears SE is taking the parser/<UnnamedHuntSoftware> route for house selling; as long as you're not a jerk about it, they won't do anything about it.

Feel free to report those being a jerk about it, but beware. There's a point where you're the one breaking the ToS running around harassing everyone.

You and Momo continue to propagate the lie that it is not against the ToS to flip houses, neither of you are willing however to put yourselves at risk (your gil, your houses and your accounts) to back up your claims by doing it yourself and having someone report you. Your more than willing to spread misinformation about it and let others suffer the consequences though. I said you wouldn't even believe Yoshi if he came out and said was against the ToS himself...looks like I was right. He did say it and you continue to pretend it is not.

Now your trying to claim reporting the people who do it is breaking the ToS...your wrong. Reporting someone who is flipping houses (it is against to ToS to flip houses no matter how much you try to mislead others about it) is not harassment anymore so than reporting RMT. What's you next course of action? Trying to convince everyone buying gil is not against the ToS provided do not buy more than x amount of gil from RMT and that anyone who reports you for buying gil is breaking the ToS?