House flipping is 100% confirmed against ToS, send vegetable naysayers to this thread

[MomomiMomi]

an enormous amount of gil

a really high amount

That doesn't sound like 100% to me.

[Dzian]

isn't it better to just...not do it? .

I think that's what creates the problem in the first place. probably a good number of players who don't want or need there houses.

I wonder how many more plots would be available if they didn't just keep them for the sake of it........

That doesn't sound like 100% to me.

reading the op I would say it's only those who sell at way out there prices multiple times the plots value. if I were to put mine up at the approximate 4 mil the plot cost me to buy that wouldn't amount to an enormous amount of gil or massive profit. it wouldn't even cover my losses on permits and stuff.

However they do need to add in a proper transfer system, allow teneants to take ownership of a property or reset the 30 day timer if they're actively using the property if the owner is away. stuff like that.

[Zojha]

reading the op I would say it's only those who sell at way out there prices multiple times the plots value.

Well...if you sell for the plots value, that means the next person selling the plot will sell for twice the plots value simply to cover the cost from both you and the plot. Which then the next person will consider in his prices.

Then a few sells down the line, you're looking at 700mill for that small plot. Without making any profit, mind you!

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Well...if you sell for the plots value, that means the next person selling the plot will sell for twice the plots value simply to cover the cost from both you and the plot. Which then the next person will consider in his prices.

Then a few sells down the line, you're looking at 700mill for that small plot. Without making any profit, mind you!

Well then people just keep their houses never abandon and just enter every so often. Hey they wasn't meant to be sold anyway so problem solved.

[Dzian]

Well...if you sell for the plots value, that means the next person selling the plot will sell for twice the plots value simply to cover the cost from both you and the plot. Which then the next person will consider in his prices.

Then a few sells down the line, you're looking at 700mill for that small plot. Without making any profit, mind you!

don't condone the fact anyone would have to pay twice if I sold my plot that's why I don't really try to sell it.

the problem though is that people that want a plot expect people that have one they don't really need to just give it up and simply release it for no reason so someone else can buy it.

people like me who have a house they don't actively use that much keep it solely because there's no reason to relinquish it. it costs nothing to keep other than maybe a minute of my day once a month to step inside and reset the timer. and having a house even one I don't use much is more valuable than having nothing.....

thus I keep my house as do many others and thus people who want houses can't buy them because theres no plots available...

[Snugglebutt]

That doesn't sound like 100% to me.

All your doing is grasping at straws. I dare you to buy a house and resell it in PF, you have admitted to owning multiple houses in the past so how about you sell one of those in PF and we shall have someone report you even if you do not charge an "enormous" or "really high" amount then wait and see what happens. I guarantee you will have action taken against you from the GM's. If your so confident in being right, do it and see for yourself...put your faith to the test as it were. Even if sold your house aka relinquishing it for same value as the plot itself costs people would still need to pay twice what SE set as the maximum price to buy one.

You keep moving the goal posts on this subject too from trying to use outdated GM information which has since been rectified, making claims that no GM response is right because you implied all might be photo-shopped and now you have moved the goal posts again with this time hanging on a couple words as evidence it is allowed. GM's have stated of late that it is against the ToS, they said in the past some GM's were in the wrong for giving the wrong information about the issue but since been corrected and all GM's have now been told the bottom line response from SE which is that it is against the ToS.

We have Yoshi himself saying to report anyone doing it and action will be taken against them despite you trying to nitpick over a couple words the translator used. We have evidence that people have been punished for doing it too. At this stage it really is just grasping at straws to proclaim it is not against the ToS to do it. We both know you wont put your money where your mouth is on this and put any of your own plots up for sale in PF, yet you continue to mislead other people into doing what you dare not do yourself and they will end up being punished for breaking the ToS in your place. How nice it must be for you to spread misinformation from the sidelines which will cause others to be punished for your claims...just stop it already.

There are ways SE could allow for people to relinquish their plots officially if they wanted to add such a feature but it would need to require selling back to an NPC at the same cost or lower than the amount it costs to buy from the game (not other players) and you should not be able to profit from it of which the NPC then places it back on the market at that standard normal price of a plot so it wont be the case of having to pay someone to relinquish then pay again for the plot on top. Maybe SE in the future might add such a NPC but in the meantime telling other people it is not against the ToS and they will not be punished is either an ignorant or purposefully malicious thing to do at this stage.

[MomomiMomi]

You keep moving the goal posts on this subject too from trying to use outdated GM information which has since been rectified, making claims that no GM response is right because you implied all might be photo-shopped and now you have moved the goal posts again with this time hanging on a couple words as evidence it is allowed. GM's have stated of late that it is against the ToS, they said in the past some GM's were in the wrong for giving the wrong information about the issue but since been corrected and all GM's have now been told the bottom line response from SE which is that it is against the ToS.

My "goal post" has always been the same, and that is that we need an official statement saying that selling houses is against the rules. They have given us an official statement, and it is an unclear one. It was not a simple "selling houses is against the rules" I was looking for. Instead we now need clarification of in which situations is selling a house against the rules. Until we get this, I expect people will continue to sell their houses.

You keep making it sound like I actually want house reselling to be okay. I don't. What I've always wanted, and I could even bring up a quote dating back probably 2 years, is for a way to sell a house back to the system. On top of this, I also want people to stop buying houses to resell them. As long as things are unclear, people will continue to do it.

EDIT: Here it is.

I see this exacerbating the housing problem. More houses would be bought for the sole reason of being sold to others. The rich would be ripping off the poor who couldn't afford it at the time. There would also be much less risk in buying houses for the sole reason of using them as extra gardens.

What I would prefer is being able to sell a house at the house's server value, and having the game take a cut out of it. This would allow people to get rid of houses they no longer want, whether it be to move to another house, transfer servers, or simply not enjoying or having a use for their house anymore. It would not be a total loss, and gil would still be removed from the game.

[StouterTaru]

All your doing is grasping at straws.

All you have is lukewarm evidence, and you're claiming it's scalding hot.

It appears SE is taking the parser/<UnnamedHuntSoftware> route for house selling; as long as you're not a jerk about it, they won't do anything about it.

Feel free to report those being a jerk about it, but beware. There's a point where you're the one breaking the ToS running around harassing everyone.

[Snugglebutt]

All you have is lukewarm evidence, and you're claiming it's scalding hot.

It appears SE is taking the parser/<UnnamedHuntSoftware> route for house selling; as long as you're not a jerk about it, they won't do anything about it.

Feel free to report those being a jerk about it, but beware. There's a point where you're the one breaking the ToS running around harassing everyone.

You and Momo continue to propagate the lie that it is not against the ToS to flip houses, neither of you are willing however to put yourselves at risk (your gil, your houses and your accounts) to back up your claims by doing it yourself and having someone report you. Your more than willing to spread misinformation about it and let others suffer the consequences though. I said you wouldn't even believe Yoshi if he came out and said was against the ToS himself...looks like I was right. He did say it and you continue to pretend it is not.

Now your trying to claim reporting the people who do it is breaking the ToS...your wrong. Reporting someone who is flipping houses (it is against to ToS to flip houses no matter how much you try to mislead others about it) is not harassment anymore so than reporting RMT. What's you next course of action? Trying to convince everyone buying gil is not against the ToS provided do not buy more than x amount of gil from RMT and that anyone who reports you for buying gil is breaking the ToS?

[MomomiMomi]

You and Momo continue to propagate the lie that it is not against the ToS to flip houses, neither of you are willing however to put yourselves at risk (your gil, your houses and your accounts) to back up your claims by doing it yourself and having someone report you. Your more than willing to spread misinformation about it and let others suffer the consequences though.

Why would I sell my house when I can't sell it for the large sum that I feel it's worth? They've already stated that's against the rules.