oh and on top that like say for instance a few days ago, we had a party of 5on dobs, sp was decent, but then with 4 was better, still killed the same, and with 3 was even better and still killed the same. having really good dps and a healer probably all that matters right now, 2archers and a thm or con can do more then any group set up with a tanks in my opinion. it's a zerg no matter how many or how few players there are.