3.3 Hinderences

[Yasuhiro]

Idk why people take care of their baby while playing. Wrong way to deal with things. Well bad priority.

Reminds me of T13 farm party horror stories before 3.0 and just how annoying it is when people get distracted while playing games and think other people will just brush it off and say "haha no worries! We'll wait for you!" in the MIDDLE of a fight not before or after x.x

- Ready check
- Everyone's good to go
- Party took forever to fill
- Half way through the fight
- White Mage "Sorry guys, need to get my kid a drink"
- Scholar now needs to solo heal
- White Mage "back, oh wait, sorry again guys, kid wants to play"
- o.0 what!? No dude, please, we just want to farm...

It can't be helped I understand and family is more important but it's really freaking annoying for others who put together a party , needless to say they had to get kicked.
Bottom line if there's other stuff keeping you from playing, tend to it, because no one else is going to care that you need to message your friend on facebook, go get a drink or take your kids to school in the middle of a farm party

[Warghoul570]

One poster brought something up that needs to be touched upon. Disabilities.. Not that any of you white knight elitist care dice you typically only care about yourselves.. Many gamers that enjoy this game and many other have physical or mental disabilies and FF14 may be their escape. Myself being one of them. While my case isn't as bad as some might be but trying to do too much quickly(like in sec) is troublesome but you can bet your ass I'm trying my hardest in each and every fight because that's to only way I know how to do things.. Last thing any of us need is some stuck up selfish d-bag getting verbally abusive. You don't know what's going on in the head of the person at the other end. While I generally don't care what people think of me that verbal abuse may drive someone else to do something tragic.. So think about that before getting toxic over someone's gameplay

[MilesSaintboroguh]

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It is also arrogant to assume the majority of people that this thread complains about would have some form of mental or physical handicaps. Nobody is a mind ready. They see what they see happening on the screen. Verbal abuse is obviously wrong, but let's not dress up the problem as everyone having some sort of special problem that everyone else should dance eggshells around.

[Normalizer]

Funny you talk as if 99% of the players will jump up and verbally abuse some one for failing something. Sorry if you got those kind of people 99% of the time, maybe it was just your luck? I don't see d-bag that often (maybe cause i got good karma?)

Beside, what you said goes both way too. If you have disabilities, find something you can do best, or try to do it when you are at your best. If you feel ill and cannot really concentrate, go with your besties so they can help you? Or just do something else for the night, and try again another day when you feel better and maybe can push yourself more? You said other are elitist and only care about themselves, how many people are selfish and go into "slightly challenging" content and wipe the whole group even though they are sick? Sorry, but life is not fair #fact

[Drkdays]

Nidhogg in ms IS especially difficult compared to other normal trials, but keep in mind it's the climax to the entire expansion so making it too easy would lower the sense of epic story finality that it deserves. Don't worry, as more players clear the content and go back to help friends better groups will start appearing in pf with higher percentages of success where those who fully understand the fight with make things clear to those who still need help learning the do and don'ts.

[Warghoul570]

Basically what I'm saying is don't get nasty with someone just because they're making mistakes.. You're not help finishing the dungeon/trial/raid any quicker. If you see what they're doing wrong point it out respectfully and if they give you crap for your advise then all bets are off.. Me personally am always willing to change what I'm doing if someone sees a way I could be doing it better. I don't have a huge ego, I just care about the win. If someone tells me to do this or that on a boss I do it to help the party. Doesn't hurt to be civil.

[Seraphix2407]

If you see what they're doing wrong point it out respectfully and if they give you crap for your advise then all bets are off..

You see, some people (even in this thread) have refused to listen to strat, because they want to find out things on their own, which is fine. But when you keep die or wipe a group because you can't find out on your own, you better listen and take advice. Last run's I've done MANY, VERY VERY MANY people showed macros, explained to people in details like myself but yet we wipe countless of times because they choose to ignore it. You see even with respect, a golden spoon and the red carpet they still wont listen. The other day, a ninja tried to explain how to do the nid story trial, guess what? He died 5 times, so did the bard and the ot/mt died 1-2 times as well not dodgin aoes, raising 6 times or 7 times and no ballad hurts my mp, but we sitll did it. Is it acceptable? especially the DRK telling me to shut up and heal when I explain strat? That's toxic, belive it or not, ''casuals'' people talk about are way more toxic than most ''elitst'' you or anyone here talk about. Why? Because those ''casuals'' tend to ignore they fact they don't want to listen, get better or simply tell people to shut up when advice is given to them. Toxic and toxic, I could go on all day about it.

Many gamers that enjoy this game and many other have physical or mental disabilies and FF14 may be their escape. Myself being one of them.y

Respect for you saying you have physical/mental disabilies, but I will tell you a short story.

I'm only 26 years old and I'm soon 27, few years ago I used to work with young youths around age 16-18 because they had some disabilies, like low self esteem, trying to escape real life playing games and so on. My job was to get those people out, make them more social, bringing them with me and my friends (back when I was 21-22). I also asked if they wanted to bring their own friends but they said that be cool, so we did. Many days per week it was cinema, bqq, going to the beach, just walking around, games at my place or their, it was all fun. Later they still talk to me and are greatful for me helping them out, it was my job. But when you work with things like this it tends to be a bit more emotional and can see and understand why they struggle. I'm still happy I could change their lives a bit and they worked for it so it's all good.

I know there is plenty and different disabilities and many people choose to handle them different. I don't want to sound rude, but me or people in here never mentioned people like yourself and keep in mind, I'm the type of guy that would leave a group or not even play if I had any sort of problems or just felt pretty down that day. But in all honesty, playing games to escape real life isn't always a solution, I'm not saying you should listen to me, but escaping a problem isn't gonna make anything better

You see, I own a dog with some people I live with and I NEVER say mid raid I'm going to walk the dog, I do that before or after because I have scheludes for it. If I have friends over I don't play the game. If I'm on the phone I say a quick brb next fight or right before the fight starts. If I had a baby, which I don't have, but I would still put my priority over that baby than the game. Why? Because that's how you should priotize, doing things middle of something and you know it will happen, you should just leave and not even being part of the group. If you do that mid 24 man raid, you leave, that's respectful, you don't sit back and let people do the shit you are supose to do. If it's a farm party and you know you gotta leave soon, you don't do it 1 time and then say ''brb baby'' when you knew it was going to happen. Keep in mind I know emergency can happen which we all know, but when you KNOW something is going to happen you stay out of it.

And about selfish people, there is nothing more selfish than people thinking all about themselves, want to know who I talk about? Those who don't listen and take advice in 24 man raid and just keep wipe 2 other groups or even their own. When did 1 person outweight 23 people or 7? Those ''selfish d-bags'' you talk about, actually want to kill the damn things and hand out info to people, while there are people ignoring it = selfish. Call me a d-bag if you want, I use macros, show people how to do mechanics and help them if they ask and wonder about something. I don't care if you call me a d-bag, because I tried being nice and tell people how. Ignoring it isn't respectful, it's just selfish, ignorant and super toxic.

And honestly if people feel down, tired or had a long day and just wanna slack and play the game, fine. If you know you gonna perform bad, stay away, if not you are just another selfish person which is all MEMEMEMEMEMEMEM.


Sorry for the long post, just felt like I needed to say it.

[Drkdays]

Unrelated: I read that as meme meme meme meme, which I found funny and accurate to today's internet.
Related: life happens, even during raids. A good group will get through it, a bad group will expect you to play by their standards and timeframe. Sometimes you just gotta let the dogs outside and sometimes your your niece wants to play your character for you. There's never a good reason to bash other players as long as they aren't intentionally trolling IMO.

[Seraphix2407]

Unrelated: I read that as meme meme meme meme, which I found funny and accurate to today's internet.
Related: life happens, even during raids. A good group will get through it, a bad group will expect you to play by their standards and timeframe. Sometimes you just gotta let the dogs outside and sometimes your your niece wants to play your character for you. There's never a good reason to bash other players as long as they aren't intentionally trolling IMO.

Ignoring people for advice and help is almost trolling, in my honest opinion.

[AsahinaMyLove]

There is zero problem with Nidhogg..i know..8 people might actually have to learn mechanics. Cleared it on release day 2nd group. Just be persistent.

<-- still stuck a Niddhoggr, and waiting till they make a normal mode one for story quest