3.3 Hinderences

[Bourne_Endeavor]

SE MIGHT nerf Mcach or Final Steps or both bc they are harder for casual players & might turn people off(I personally love them) but they will NOT nerf the dungeons bc they're already the same as usual....Whatever experiences you had, they were some bad RNG DF groups in a row, not hard dungeons. Maybe run them with your friends instead.

I very much doubt they will. It took nearly two months and people outright leaving in droves before they nerfed Steps of Faith in 2.55. And that was gating off the entirely expansion. Neither Weeping City nor Nidhogg (normal) have that problem. People just expected a faceroll and got hit with a rude awakening. They might actually have to know what they're doing. I sincerely hope that trend is here to stay.

[Fynlar]

That is literally every mechanic. None of those have dps checks so bad dps doesn't matter, you'll win as long as people listen. Some of the previously released dungeons have worse mechanics than that.

The run that took me an hour in particular was Sohr Khai, last boss. We kept being reduced down to a single platform (if we even made it that far), at which point people started to die because nothing was avoidable anymore.

According to everyone that I've discussed this with, that indicates a DPS problem.

You don't have to lecture me on the mechanics btw; you're preaching to the choir. Try telling all this to my DF groups.

And that speaks to arguably the poor tuning of Antitower. I know more than a few healers who complained because they barely had to pay attention to the tank's HP due to how easy the mobs were.

/shrug I usually tank this roulette, and I've had more than my fair share of near-deaths. Maybe not in the segments where you are forced to only fight 2-3 mobs at a time, but that's the case in nearly every dungeon. Other than that it did not feel any different from most other EX dungeons. I only used Antitower as a recent example.

[Seraphix2407]

If they nerf niddhogg and New 24man raid because of "casuals" pretty much sum up how lazy and not caring most of players are in community. And people say people who try their best are assholes. Last time i checked leeching and doing nothing makes you one. Square finally did something right. The fights arent even that hard and people get info handed at them like cand, yet they wont listen.

[Pomelo]

Resume of the Thread:

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There is a reason why this post has so many likes compared to the OP, and that's because most of the community is through with "baby" content, challenging stuff makes goals, and it makes us want to stick around more.

[Yukiko]

Its strange... why do you look down on other players?
Someone says that the fight was not possible to win and you answer: "leecher", "casuals", "noob"...
Were you with him in that fight and do you know what was the problem?! Sure not.
You try to compare with your runs, but did your group have exact same gear and same jobs? Sure not.

The community doesnt become toxic because of content, its that stupid arrogant argumentation of some who think they are "better"...
Try to take what others say as fact and find solutions to help or fix it. Do not try to blame the other and say he is wrong!

White Knights... hm... why does Square Enix need them?
You are defending content but why do you need that?

There are MANY possibilities why a fight result in a wipe!
Who are you to judge that the one who said its not possible havnt given all he could?
Just because YOU cleared something, it does not mean all is fine as it is.

There is a lot that can improve the current fight without making it "easier"...
The Problem arnt even the mechanics, but its fact that we do not play a LAN game and ffxiv having a tight reaction based combat system...
I see MANY players running in right direction but not making it in time - oh, i forgot, they are all "casuals" /faceroll (or should i say: "Stop Trolling")

If someone suggest something most of the feedback is just "easier" or "harder" but thats as if we just have black and white!
You have to look at every possibilities and situations that can appear, stop your focus view and try to understand... thats all i beg!

[Corfish]

Lets have a look at numbers, square enix have them and if it is needed they will nerf it, point!
Sidenote: Nidhogg is already called "Pugkiller" in public chat, thats not something "normal"

Edit: Suggestion - Stop the stupid onehit wipe mechanics *sigh*
I miss old days and can understand why players just quit frustrated beginning anew and anew... no recovery kills this game!

Edit2: One of the few bosses where you need "sprint"

What "old days"? Because in MY old days with this game there were plenty of one hit mechanics that would wipe the party.

Normally I am all for defending players who are not as good, but c'mon. It was almost offensive at one point at how easy the normal (Hard Mode I guess for most) dungeons and trials became.

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I am hardly a hardcore player of this game. The only EX primal I have beaten so far is Bismarck. I haven't even set foot into Alex Savage yet. Yes, the Nidhogg fight gave me some trouble for a few wipes. But you know what people can do?

They can learn the patterns, they learn where to stand to minimize risk of getting hit by AoEs. They can learn to do better rotations. They can go and gear up if they simply can't improve in mechanics. They can find a group willing to carry them even. I know quite a few FCs who are willing to carry members through battles so long as they're not complete leeches.

Players have ways to make the fight easier. This fight has been out for ONE WEEK. If they can't clear it yet, they need to accept it and gear up a little bit, or learn the mechanics.

After the fight has been out for a while then people can start demanding nerfs instead of actually improving.

[Seraphix2407]

Yuki, I said "casual". I'm pretty casual too, doesnt give me the right to sit back and act like its fine to do nothing. Last time I checked this is a mmo. If you dont wanna try your best, better play offline game.

[Yukiko]

What "old days"?

Who said i mean FFXIV? (You can ask Square Soft if it comes to "old days")
Your argumentation reminds me of Titan 1.x where we had huge LAG and mostly players with good ping argued with "learn the patterns" or "learn where to stand before the AoE happens"...

[Corfish]

Who said i mean FFXIV ?
Your argumentation reminds me of Titan 1.x where we had huge LAG and mostly players with good ping argued with "learn the patterns" or "learn where to stand before the AoE happens"...

It's an MMO. It is impossible to completely remove the threat of lag and it is stupid to nerf a fight because some people have bad connections. That said, FFXIV has come a long way and it is much more lag free.

The fact is though, these people are almost definitely not dying because of lag. They're dying because they're not learning when to anticipate certain mechanics and thus can't move fast enough. Or they don't understand that the AoE indicators are basically worthless for determining if you were in or out of the AoE, and it's all about the cast bar.

[Yukiko]

Thats the arrogant attitude what i have meant, thats exactly why community becomes toxic!
You think you know why they die, but in reality you know nothing because it can have MANY possibilities... fact.