Dark knight

[Sarcatica]

lol wonder away all you like. Not gonna bother with explaining myself to you. Brb pizza just arrived.

Reminds me of the Plunge thread, can't provide numbers and facts. Lost in arguments and proceed to call it quit. Classy.

[Drkdays]

Reminds me of the Plunge thread, can't provide numbers and facts. Lost in arguments and proceed to call it quit. Classy.

Lol I did provide facts and reasons. The entire argument was about providing 2-4 extra seconds of DPS to SOME classes while I argued that taking initial agro and facing the boss away to avoid cleaving the group and presenting the boss's back for max accuracy and positional advantage were more important to the entire group. But those reasons were flat ignored. No one even said, " hmm you might have a point there", just, "this is why you are completely wrong", which is why it devolved into just arguing that I left behind. Not that that matters in this thread, nor the lame opinion that I should go play another class because I don't agree with someone. I tend to not agree with a lot of people who say something can only be done correctly one way.

[Sarcatica]

The entire argument was about providing 2-4 extra seconds of DPS to SOME classes while I argued that taking initial agro and facing the boss away to avoid cleaving the group and presenting the boss's back for max accuracy and positional advantage were more important.

The thread itself had many facts supported by raiders in the current end-game (Midas Savage for the most part, don't really consider the rest "end-game" enough). Have you been counting down every single pull? That's what people in the higher level of play do. Using plunge FIRST will inevitably be "early pull". Why? No one is ready to hit the boss as soon as countdown reaches 0 or 1 depending on groups. No one is going to waste close gap skills because they are all for DPS purpose at pull. By doing Plunge first, you are starting earlier than you should and that, my friend, melees especially don't like that. Avoid cleaving? No current end-game encounter does big cleaves as soon as you pull it. IDK what you are trying to say. Presenting boss' back for what? Only melees have positionals to hit and they are not your 1st button you hit. IDK what you are trying to say, again.

Plunge HAS delay, meaning that as soon as you use it, you are not able to chain into your enmity combo as fast as it should have been. Plunge doesn't have aggro modifier, meaning that normal Unmend > PS combo is MORE than enough to have aggro lead. What you are trying to argue again?

Relating to this thread, DRK OT loses Reprisal (not even reliable to get a proc in the first place) for more DPS gain. That's a fact. No matter how you twist it, this is a fact.

TLDR: Don't be a smartass if you haven't even stepped into the real raiding world.

[HoodRat]

I know how to tank plus i do raid all the time an i mt ty for your input

I'm curious to know what you're raiding on an ilvl 166 drk.

I tend to not agree with a lot of people who say something can only be done correctly one way.

It's funny because every time I see someone say that, they're trying to justify playing poorly. It reminds me of the thread made by a thm complaining about how the community was toxic because he kept getting kicked from dungeons for using sleep every pull and doing fire 1 > blizzard 1 > fire 1 > blizzard 1 so he wouldn't run out of mp.

[SyzzleSpark]

The only time you should Plunge on pull is if it immediately follows Unmend and if the boss for whatever reason needs to be tanked exactly where he is.

It also helps for you pull from Unmend range. Getting in Unmend range before pull and using it from a standing start means your DPS can start running to the boss immediately when they see the your animation start during the countdown. Any casters/ranged you have should be prepping their casts before you pull anyway, so Plunge really only makes a difference for you here since it won't benefit from the slashing debuff.

DRG and NIN also both have gap closers that have nothing to do with their DPS rotation.

That all being said, pulling with Plunge only is extremely bad form.


EDIT: Also, no matter what, on DRK you should be using some sort of oGCD between Unmend and your next GCD (which should be Scourge btw, not your PS combo... that comes after), usually its Dark Passenger (since it has some range to it), Low Blow, or Salted Earth, since none of those deal slashing damage.

[Drkdays]

I'm curious to know what you're raiding on an ilvl 166 drk.



It's funny because every time I see someone say that, they're trying to justify playing poorly. It reminds me of the thread made by a thm complaining about how the community was toxic because he kept getting kicked from dungeons for using sleep every pull and doing fire 1 > blizzard 1 > fire 1 > blizzard 1 so he wouldn't run out of mp.

1. Alts and multiclassing are a thing.
2. Sounds like he had good reason to be upset. Hard to learn if no one's willing to teach. When I started blm I thought consistently casting fire 3 was the best DPS. No one ever called me out for it, but I had to learn myself.

[HoodRat]

1. Alts and multiclassing are a thing.

Guess I'll go make an alt, not level it up at all and display it as my main on the forums so that people will look me up and see that I have nothing too, then.

2. Sounds like he had good reason to be upset. Hard to learn if no one's willing to teach. When I started blm I thought consistently casting fire 3 was the best DPS. No one ever called me out for it, but I had to learn myself.

Oh, people were trying to teach him how to blm on the thread. They were even nice and respectful about it at first. But he just kept coming back saying there's nothing wrong with the way he's playing and when people started giving him numbers and facts to prove what he was doing was bad, he started calling everyone elitist jerks. But I guess that's usually how MMOs go.

[Valkyriearia]

I'm not i166 i'm i200 just Don't hve full gear on

[Mattelot]

You seem to be cherry picking what parts of my posts you read and acknowledge and which ones you don't. At least grant the courtesy of reading and comprehending all of it as I'm extending you the same.

Wait... why? You did the same thing when I asked you a half dozen questions that you didn't answer.

I'm not i166 i'm i200 just Don't hve full gear on

It doesn't really matter. People will look for any reason they can think of to discredit someone or not have to answer their questions. Many of them are really reaching. Too many proud players do not like to admit that they're wrong. I see them frequently on here and in this thread.

Most people are so judgmental and don't like being open-minded. The elitist types would rather tell you that your idea is "stupid" than think outside the box. When it comes to improvement, you always aim higher than what would seem realistic. This way, you don't strive for mediocrity.