Dark knight

[Maero]

lol join forum date is NOT when the player starts to play this game.
I only signed up to this forum after several months of playing already, so the date on my profile is not at all when i started to play.
No need to have brought that up as a means to say OP has no experience.
On the other hand however, and i have seen in other posts if someone does not have a job @ 60 well... yeah

[Jukebox12]

Please try to atleast level all tanks to level 60 and experiment with there cds, stance switching in raids this includes current ex primals and midas savage before you post about giving a buff to dark knight imo which is not needed there top tank stance dps (this doesn't include stance switching). Now if we are talking about stance switching imo war>=drk>pld..( please correct me if i got my symbols correct)

[Lyth]

Oddly, some of the most interesting theorycraft/math that I've read comes from a non-tank main who only has one tank at 60. Most people hardly notice if it's done well.

There are situations where theorycrafting on a job that you don't actually raid on will lead to some fairly obvious blunders (especially on a job like DRK), but it's still helpful to read these. Intuitively knowing that something is sub-optimal isn't the same as knowing why it is sub-optimal, and scrutinising these errors in reasoning forces you to think about your job and your playstyle in more depth. You should be verifying everything you see in here for yourself anyways prior to making it part of your rotation.

[whiteblade89]

My drk is only at 41 atm, and I don't tank raids, but in my opinion, buffing darkside to 25% seems outlandish. Drk is a tank that already has decent dps in its current state. Buffing it to the point where it completely negates grit kinda defeats the purpose of the "give and take" mechanic of tank stances. You sacrifice damage to keep aggro.

[ADVSS]

My drk is only at 41 atm, and I don't tank raids, but in my opinion, buffing darkside to 25% seems outlandish. Drk is a tank that already has decent dps in its current state. Buffing it to the point where it completely negates grit kinda defeats the purpose of the "give and take" mechanic of tank stances. You sacrifice damage to keep aggro.

I have to agree, though...str tanks were dealing some good deeps before that vit thing happened, lost 30% across the board, then grit being a mirror to shield oath, became not a mirror when shield oath got a damage buff. I still agree though that the damage is fine, if anything drk is fine for that id personally only look at Ot utility improvement though most would disagree that itd disturb the balance or something. jedi.

[Greven]

Well MT DRK does some more damage than MT PLD while WAR OT does a crazy more damage when then the others, plus they bring slashing debuff utility.

What OP said is too much but DRK could use some kind of buff/utility, especially when OTing. How about a Slashing Debuff on PS when out of Grit or when not DA'ed, this is just a simple example but could be something more complicated too.

[Drkdays]

Well MT DRK does some more damage than MT PLD while WAR OT does a crazy more damage when then the others, plus they bring slashing debuff utility.

What OP said is too much but DRK could use some kind of buff/utility, especially when OTing. How about a Slashing Debuff on PS when out of Grit or when not DA'ed, this is just a simple example but could be something more complicated too.

Maybe on Souleater instead. You wouldn't want to rely on a tanking combo for added dps when OTing.

[Mattelot]

Sarcasm, though tbh you can only raise the bar so high - raiding experience with a class alone, even in the first 2-3 floors, is enough to have at least a decent understanding of it. Obviously it's up to you who you personally take seriously, I just think an A5S/A6S clear at least means you have fundamental knowledge of your job which is all it really takes to make a comment on something regarding it. It can be wrong, misinformed, misunderstood, etc. but you've at least done the thing where you had to use a bit of thought and that's the least I personally ask for. :-P

Correct. I think some people who give personal standards on here are trolling or being sarcastic. I don't take the ones who are being serious... seriously. They are not officials for this and it's just elitist nonsense. Granted, I've seen far worse elitists in FFXI than FFXIV. I've seen people go as far as telling other linkshells that they're not allowed in a certain area without their linkshell (free company) leader's permission and they pressed the matters.

Maybe on Souleater instead. You wouldn't want to rely on a tanking combo for added dps when OTing.

I wouldn't be opposed to adding it to DA Souleater. It wouldn't be as fast as Warrior but still making it available if needed.

[ADVSS]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...led-last-5-%21

certainly all three tanks are balanced and capable of achieving the same results. soul eater is fine, itll get this job done just as well. If you arent raiding the top tier raid, your opinion doesnt matter and no amount of idea is even going to matter cause all 3 tanks can do this right here, they can!

I dont raid, so i dont know jack all, but the raider DRK here can tell you, that without a healer a DRK can totally do this, relying on soul eater and bloodbath alone Theyre even so hardcore theyll provide proof, because you know, mt dps numbers on a tank role dont lieas long as theyre staying in tank stance, it gets tricky when they decide to drop it.

tl; dr: The tanks are NOT balanced, and to say they are and capable of comparitive results means you have yet to play all 3, or have yet to test all 3 in various situations, one like this, especially