is selling housing bannable?

[Zelas]

A great way to fix this would be to limit on house per account and one house per FC rule.

Except it's too late to do that. If they decide to implement something like this, they'll run into trouble no matter how they to it.

- If SE asks people to choose one house they want to keep, those who already have several houses will want to keep all of them and will scream outrage.
- If SE allows people who already have a lot of houses to keep them, people who come in after the implementation of the limitation will be mad that other people can own many houses but they can't.

There's no way to fairly implement this anymore. They should've thought about it beforehand.

[Kosmos992k]

Except it's too late to do that. **snip**

There's no way to fairly implement this anymore. They should've thought about it beforehand.

There is a fair way. Most people recognize that housing really is/should be a one per player kind of thing, so offer account holders with multiple personal homes/plots a choice of which one they can keep, then compensate them with the purchase price of the plots being relinquished. Limit personal housing to one private house per account with all characters on the account counting as the 'owner', this would prevent complaints about one house per account preventing other characters from owning a home. Further, explicitly limit FC housing to one house per FC. Implement a transfer system so that if you decide to move house and purchase an equivalent plot elsewhere, you can transfer your entire home, lock, stock and barrel for a nominal fee.

If those hoarding plots were compensated for their 'loss', I can't see the tiny minority of players who are in that situation screaming too loudly, and if they do, I can't imagine they'll get much sympathy.

the way i see it is SE should have set a limit on housing where you could only buy one plot per account even if your the fc lead it counts toward your house limit and if people wanna sell their house at a reasonable price that doesnt break the other persons bank just cuzz the owner doesnt use the house then let em do it. these others who buy like 3 houses and try to flip em for a profit just dont buy from them if they ask for too much we got those price listings for plots go by that

No, limiting *personal* housing to one per account is reasonable. Preventing Company masters from owning a personal home, on the other hand, because their FC owns a Company home is unfair, and un-necessary. Personal and FC housing were meant to be separate in the first place, and they should be. Punishing Company masters for purchasing a Company house is counter productive.

Well really what "selling a house" is, is really accepting a bribe to relinquish the land you own. It's not really buying any property. Last I checked, bribery is illegal so...

I do agree with you btw, just trying help find another word!

Indeed

I think people flock this particular exploit so much because it affects so many people and really leaves a stain on the community.

It is wrong that so many others get away with exploitation but more people need to voice what they don't like, just as some r in this thread.

Unfortunately, when it comes to forums, many times people are afraid to stick their head above the parapet and utter an unpopular view, and so they stay silent.

ALSO KOS-MOS I LUV U

I'm generally unable to remain silent. KOS-MOS is blushing.

[worldofneil]

Most people recognize that housing really is/should be a one per player kind of thing

Sorry I must have missed that survey.

offer account holders with multiple personal homes/plots a choice of which one they can keep, then compensate them with the purchase price of the plots being relinquished.

What about their items in the house though? Yes they could go to the Resident Caretaker for 35 days like when a house is demolished and that person could somehow try and find all the inventory space to hold them all (200 items for a large!), but what are they to do with them then? Their other house is probably already furnished and SE are unlikely to give back items that aren't binded and could be sold on. So essentially a lot of items that person has to find storage space for, indefinitely, or discard. Even worse if they currently have multiple houses on their account they'd need to find even more space.

But worse... what about the unremovable items? Should they just get lost? And what about decorations you can't get back like light fixtures, floor and walls? What about the exteriors that have been crafted in a workshop? None of those are removable and some like the workshop creations are a lot of parts and take a lot of time and effort. I know this from making an exterior for a small house, I can't imagine the effort needed for a large.

Yes SE could give back the exact items so someone could reuse them, but if you don't have multiple houses you're unlikely to want to reuse them and if you can't see them... giving back the items doesn't compensate the person for the time they put in to decorate the house.

Right now someone is allowed to buy up to 16 houses per Square Enix service account. Whether the community likes it or not, that was how SE set it up so the player shouldn't get massively penalised because SE later changed their minds. Square Enix aren't going to force houses away from someone, other than by updating the system for newer accounts and grandfathering older ones (i.e. if a house is reclaimed that account can't buy another one unless below the limit etc) and I can't really see them doing that either as people would just complain it's unfair that someone has more than they do and they can no longer even have a chance to do the same.

Further, explicitly limit FC housing to one house per FC.

That actually is already the case. What you're seeing with one FC having multiple houses is actually multiple FCs, all having been levelled up to rank 6, but all having the same short name (the long name has to be unique, the short name/tag can be the same as another one).

Implement a transfer system so that if you decide to move house and purchase an equivalent plot elsewhere, you can transfer your entire home, lock, stock and barrel for a nominal fee.

The moving system is planned for some time after 3.4, but we know how much after and we also don't yet know whether that'll let us transfer things like airship progress or just automated buying/relinquishing. It's very unlikely to move furniture automatically though, unless you were moving to the same size house it wouldn't even fit the same way.

I can't see the tiny minority of players who are in that situation screaming too loudly

Probably because most players don't use the forums?

No, limiting *personal* housing to one per account is reasonable.

And I don't disagree with you, but it's much too late now.