Friends of mine, new to the game, becoming discouraged by STORY QUESTS

[Nici]

I don't think the devs said that they would require 3.0 to get access to 4.0.

Hmmm...if this is true i wonder how they will make the classes that were introduced into HW...AST, DRK, MCH available to those new players who opt to skip 3.0, will they be made available in a different way?

[bass9020]

Hmmm...if this is true i wonder how they will make the classes that were introduced into HW...AST, DRK, MCH available to those new players who opt to skip 3.0, will they be made available in a different way?

You don't own HW you don't get the jobs. Most classes/jobs are always linked to expansions

[Niwashi]

Hmmm...if this is true i wonder how they will make the classes that were introduced into HW...AST, DRK, MCH available to those new players who opt to skip 3.0, will they be made available in a different way?

Those jobs are part of Heavensward. Players who skip HW (and don't even purchase it) wouldn't have access to them. Of course, you could buy HW and only use the first bit that gets you into Ishgard so you could unlock the jobs, without playing through the rest of the HW story, but SE isn't going to give away three of HW's biggest features to players who don't pay for it. If you want to play Astrologian, Dark Knight, or Machinist, or if you want to play as an Au Ra, you have to buy the expansion that gives you those.

[Lexia]

Hmmm...if this is true i wonder how they will make the classes that were introduced into HW...AST, DRK, MCH available to those new players who opt to skip 3.0, will they be made available in a different way?

That just sounds like people being cheap, cause by the time 4.0 comes out HW will be like $10. I have already seen it selling for $15-20 so really no reason for a person not to pick it up so I agree with others if they don't buy HW then none of the HW jobs should be available to them.

[bass9020]

That just sounds like people being cheap, cause by the time 4.0 comes out HW will be like $10. I have already seen it selling for $15-20 so really no reason for a person not to pick it up so I agree with others if they don't buy HW then none of the HW jobs should be available to them.

Yea I'm sure they will have some type of bundle that includes both games. XI used to do that with each expansion it would just add the next one to it and it was fairly cheap.

[Musashidon]

Hmmm...if this is true i wonder how they will make the classes that were introduced into HW...AST, DRK, MCH available to those new players who opt to skip 3.0, will they be made available in a different way?

they will most likely take out the storyline requirement to enter ishgard so people can go there and get the jobs.

You don't own HW you don't get the jobs. Most classes/jobs are always linked to expansions

sounds like they meant storywise since you can't enter ishgard without doing all of 2.0

[Snugglebutt]

They will most likely take out the storyline requirement to enter ishgard so people can go there and get the jobs.

They better not. They need to keep the ARR>HW gating and I explained why I think this couple times in here. I am fine with opening up every piece of new content like cities, zones and such after that gating without requiring the completion of the HW 3.0+ main storyline but the end of ARR into HW one needs to remain so RMT and their armies of bots stay the hell out of those new zones and cities. I hate RMT and bots with a vengeance, they destroyed the enjoyment of leveling and playing a gatherer class in ARR, I am very happy they and their armies are still stuck outside of HW zones and content which is thanks to the forced story gating which included some hard level 50 trials and dungeons as part of that story which they could not just bot their way through.

They could add new future classes to ARR zones instead of HW/future zones plus other game features added to ARR zones and cities but in terms of new cities and zones etc...I think the requirement of passing HW gating aka story and it's more difficult level 50 dungeons/trials should still be required. The current gating works and the RMT bot armies are stuck/trapped in ARR content because they cannot clear all the story and level 50 hard dungeons and trials en masse, likewise the RMT city /say and /shout chat spammers infecting ARR cities also remain locked out of HW cities even if does not stop them sending /tells one by one. It does keep them out and it would be a dumb move to remove that gating, opening up HW and future content to RMT bot infestation like is the case still for ARR zones which they remain trapped in.

I have yet to see a single RMT bot army in HW zones, if SE remove the current gating that would change instantly and HW and future zones would be flooded with them like ARR zones are. I will always and passionately argue against anything that allows that to happen.

[Niwashi]

the RMT bot armies are stuck/trapped in ARR content because they cannot clear all the story

It's not the story gating that's keeping bots out of Ishgard. It's the fact that they'd have to make another purchase. Bot-scripting quests is easy, and it's clearly already being done or the bots wouldn't be in level 50 content either (which already takes a much longer series of quests). But they're trying to make money and aren't going to spend any more than they have to to do so. So long as their bots can make enough gil to sell while in ARR regions, they're not going to buy an expansion.

I agree with all your conclusions and with your secondary reasons, but this, which seems to be your primary reason, is bogus.

[Snugglebutt]

It's not the story gating that's keeping bots out of Ishgard. It's the fact that they'd have to make another purchase. Bot-scripting quests is easy, and it's clearly already being done or the bots wouldn't be in level 50 content either (which already takes a much longer series of quests). But they're trying to make money and aren't going to spend any more than they have to to do so. So long as their bots can make enough gil to sell while in ARR regions, they're not going to buy an expansion.

I agree with all your conclusions and with your secondary reasons, but this, which seems to be your primary reason, is bogus.

It is not specifically that they have to click through some dialogues of the quest, that is not what I was referring to but it is the fact those quests involve tricky/hard level 50 dungeons and trials that are part of those quests which stops them from botting their armies en masse through into HW. I doubt RMT care much about the cost of HW expansion which is very cheap already, even cheaper when bought in large quantities that reduces the overall cost via discounts for large orders and would allow them more ways to make gil, especially since most of the gathering materials and such from HW zones remaining far more valuable still due to no incursion/saturation by RMT bot armies into those zones currently. RMT bot armies still suck dry the ARR market value for most bottable materials but the HW materials remain fairly untouched by them thanks to the gating.

[Niwashi]

they will most likely take out the storyline requirement to enter ishgard so people can go there and get the jobs.

Oh, they certainly won't be doing that. To enter Ishgard you need to do the full story that gets you into Ishgard. That's true regardless of whether you want to get there for the questline, dungeons, job unlocks, or just to gather from DoL nodes located there. If they were ever going to allow that, they would have done so from the start (though of course we'd be dealing with a different story in that case).

It's just that the next expansion will have its own separate story requirements that won't include the Ishgard part. (But of course, the next story also won't require unlocking Dark Knight or whichever you're interested in. You'll be able to skip the 2.x patch quests, but only if you're willing to forego everything that's gated behind them, which is all of HW except for the Au Ra race.)