FFXIV: The State Of Raiding

[Remus]

The rewards for raiding in this game is the worse I have seen from all the MMOs I have played. The challenge is there but the reward doesn't align with it. Why go through all that effort for 10 ilvls when you can most likely wait 3 months and you get given it in the new 24 man? I'm starting to think SE doesn't even know what to do with raids in this game. The way they do gear in this game doesn't work for raids where gear doesn't really last at all.

They keep saying they want to restore the raid community because they can see it has taken a nose dive since 2.x but people have given ideas but they never do them so they are just digging their own grave at this rate. I mean even during the live letter the Level 5 CEO said savage raids don't feel very great to do because there is no lasting factor. When someone like him can say that to SE it really says a lot and looks bad on their part.

I'm surprised they haven't added weapon effects to the raid weapon to make them stand out from all the other weapons but nope just 5 ilvl... I don't think that will get people to raid just for a tiny boost in item level SE.

I mean for starters why not actually make a section in the forum for Raid content?

[Luascadan]

Raid because..... it's fun?

[Melch]

How hard is it? I've heard more than enough horror stories with A6S. But what about A8S?

A6S problem is about coordination and the ability to keep your focus because you start over from the first boss everytime you wipe. Most of the bad things happen because of lack of communication. Once you get it, this fight is actually super easy.

[Melch]

No one will play a MMO with no raid content. So even if it's for a small percentage of the playerbase, it still worth something. What they should do is introducing more itemization, and then make gear more valuable. They also need to increase the number of midcore content.

[KrenianKandos]

Raid because..... it's fun?

It isn't.

It really really isn't.

And the small number of participants that actually 'clear' the content prove it.

[LaylaTsarra]

It isn't.

It really really isn't.

And the small number of participants that actually 'clear' the content prove it.

Beating your head against a duty for weeks on end to clear isn't fun for a lot of people. I know i could care less about doing it. It's why there are so few raiders in my opinion. It's why SE feels the need to create a multi-server raid finder and has acknowledged problems with people transferring servers to find others who want to raid. The raider mentality is strong on this forum however.

[Reiryuu]

Beating your head against a duty for weeks on end to clear isn't fun for a lot of people. I know i could care less about doing it. It's why there are so few raiders in my opinion. It's why SE feels the need to create a multi-server raid finder and has acknowledges problems with people transferring servers to find others who want to raid. The raider mentality is strong on this forum however.

Most raiders probably get capped as fast as possible, raid on their days, and then never log in till next raiding time giving them lots of time to go on the forums. Others are in game enjoying themselves most likely.

[LaylaTsarra]

Most raiders probably get capped as fast as possible, raid on their days, and then never log in till next raiding time giving them lots of time to go on the forums. Others are in game enjoying themselves most likely.

I'm all for people doing what they enjoy. I'm not in anyway trying to demean those who enjoy raiding and the more power to them if that is their thing. I have some good friends who enjoy raiding and I'm happy for them. It's just that many people do not share that sentiment and prefer more casual content and doing lots of other things.

[KrenianKandos]

Beating your head against a duty for weeks on end to clear isn't fun for a lot of people. I know i could care less about doing it. It's why there are so few raiders in my opinion. It's why SE feels the need to create a multi-server raid finder and has acknowledged problems with people transferring servers to find others who want to raid. The raider mentality is strong on this forum however.

I've no issues with the raiders. Honestly don't. But it's the ones that don't actually see there's a problem with the raiding scenario that I don't get.

"Cool, you like the raids. You're enjoying yourself. You do realize, however, that it's about 5% of the community only, right? And that 95% of us don't necessarily care about the endgame direction?"

I know it's a bit hypocritical of me coming into a thread about the State of Raiding and say "Yeah, it's pretty broken because Raiding is just boring as hell" but the fact is that maybe the state of Raiding is like that because it's a dying breed. Maybe it's time that we look into another avenue when it comes to endgame stuff.

The way people lash at others because we point out that raiding isn't the end all be all that people want it to be and that we're 'treading on their fun, man!' is astounding. You mean..we can't have an opinion that differs to yours?

It's all so silly on a forum meant to discuss things.

(In no means am I directing this at you considering you're agreeing and furthermore pushing the point that it really isn't fun and S-E is having to push tools in order to entice people to raid.)

While I get the idea behind how they want it to be very much World of Warcraft with an FF IP (Yoshi basically said this at the 2.0 inception), it's time to branch away, IMO. Raiding is ok but there HAS to be something else in the world that either people have not thought up or that is implemented in other games that would be a bit better than raiding? My opinion stands: The playerbase honestly doesn't care anymore about raiding and no matter how much you try to put incentives for people to do it, the fact that you opened the story mode is good enough for 95% of the playerbase.

Look and see what your playerbase is doing, S-E, and figure stuff that way. Not all of us want raids. We want more.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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If you consider both the NA and JP demographics, raiding is likely far more popular than you're giving it credit. We saw greater burnout this year due to how challenging Gordias turned out to be. Midas has been better received overall, as have all extreme primals in Heavensward. Granted, the primal fights have never been all that criticised. Nevertheless, they have tried new content; Lord of Verminion, Diadem and etc. No one does them. Now I'm not saying either is necessarily good, but forum goers don't tend to make up even a quarter of the general audience. The state of raid isn't bad in FFXIV, but there is a noticeable gap between skill levels, which makes the lack of a larger midcore segment all the more apparent. That said, JP players do not have near the difficulty NA do. So I doubt you'll see changes to the formula now.