FFXIV: The State Of Raiding

[CorvusCorax]

Midas Savage (specifically A6S) has caused 1 member of our static to leave and we've been together well over a year now. More than half of our members (myself included) no longer enjoy the fight and sapped any enjoyment we've had for raiding this patch. Sure, they nerfed the fight but there are still mechanics in place that will insta-wipe the group if not done perfectly. it's been such a huge wall and at this point we're just waiting for 3.3 to get here. Midas Savage is not very midcore friendly. At all.

[Warlyx]

Midas has been tons of fun so far , lots of new "mechanics" , isnt perfect because is 4 encounters and thats it....i would prefer 8 bosses with 3 phases thant 4 with 6 phases

[Toguro]

Raid(Savage):
Allow this raid to be THE challenge that hardcores want. Keep that A3S funeral difficulty. Savage is Savage and the best can beat it. Lock behind Raid(Normal). Raiders would by now, have the gear necessary to fight and take on this challenge. But what good would it be if the rewards weren't good? A raid of this difficulty should noooot have expendable rewards... I think a good idea of a reward would be non-gear rewards. How about exclusive cool-looking glamour rewards. Make them lv1 so you can wear at anytime. Can drop glamour(including weapons), minions, mounts, music, furniture, haircuts...? etc, titles from achievements. Anything that can last forever. It better be good too. And please, pleeease make them a guaranteed drop. Example: Beat A8S, chest piece drops. But not one, no, 2 drop. As well as other things. No one in their right mind would want to blow the brains up trying to beat Savage for rewards with a 3% drop rate that's stupid. Make it 100%. Either make 2 of each drop or allow a few things to drop every time. No weekly lockout. That's dumb.

For reference

Savage reward ideas

[Kaizencorr]

I'm sure this is an old argument, but I feel it's relevance still stands strong. Why can't we have real raids where we actually raid a place? Could you have imagined if we had used dungeons to prepare ourselves gear wise for say raiding Castrum Meridium. That to me was closer to an actual raid especially if you have ever done it at minimum ilvl. Have multiple paths involved with different loot down different paths making it so your group orientation determined which paths you take. Knowing if you had a DRG and a SMN, there was a section where you had to go to get gear for them(making nap exploration more important in the beginning). Though it wouldn't be a 100% drop of course. Heavily guarded by intelligent trash or a mini boss. With a timer that actually made it about the choices you made until your gear was better at which point you could even consider approaching the final boss.

[Kaizencorr]

Or imagine Alexander condensed into one raid opening up the environment for exploration instead of a linear path leading to each sections boss. Raids now are literally just trials with trash.

Or as another example imagine diadem being an island hopping raid, eventually culminating in going into those caves to get to the final boss.

[CookieMonsta]

I'm sure this is an old argument, but I feel it's relevance still stands strong. Why can't we have real raids where we actually raid a place? Could you have imagined if we had used dungeons to prepare ourselves gear wise for say raiding Castrum Meridium. That to me was closer to an actual raid especially if you have ever done it at minimum ilvl.

Because Alex NM exists for the casuals. I've been called many names because I firmly believe the story is something to be earnt, not given away freely in a faceroll forgettable dungeon. If people want to experience the story without doing the hardwork, youtube it or watch a stream of a cleared group. No incentive means no work.

[Warlyx]

there is no trash in savage , outside the 1 turn ...but thats a dps check

[Kaizencorr]

there is no trash in savage , outside the 1 turn ...but thats a dps check

I was speaking about raids as a whole, not just savage. I don't believe I used the word savage at all.

[Warlyx]

I was speaking about raids as a whole, not just savage. I don't believe I used the word savage at all.

i dont consider raiding Alex normal nor Void ark :P

[Hayward]

i dont consider raiding Alex normal nor Void ark :P

So anything that more than 5% of the population can do isn't a raid.

Sounds legit. *sideeye*