Can we have option to VK a player because they are below a reasonable skill level?

[Nicobo]

Kick someone for fun also existed, i think some ppl need DF more and understand the reality. ^^;

[Daranion]

As stated before, if the rest of the group is at a higher skill level and you're the oddman out, you can be rightfully kicked for not matching playtyles. It all comes down to play style differences. Same as for user agreements. Any agreements you make ingame are enforceable if both parties have committed.Players have a lot of agency in the game

[Ciri_Wolf]

You can be kicked for anything actually. If I don't like your glamour I can rightfully kick you. And there's literally nothing you can do about it. I don't think people realize this.

[zmandude24]

Though I would love this. I would say it is something that excludes people from doing content since what defines "reasonable skill level". People will use it to troll, and vote kick anyone they don't like since they are below their concept of reasonable skill.

I like it, but unfortunately can't see how it won't either make people bad, or end up abused.

People already kick for that reason, but they put some other reason (usually harassment) instead. I for example, had to kick a healer because he tried to heal Sohm Al, a HW dungeon, when he had never healed on a WHM before. We actually tried for a while with him and despite that, we made it to the last boss. Of course that guy died on every single wing phase. We replaced him after 3 or 4 wipes on that boss and cleared it easily with a new healer. We put "harassment" as the reason since it was the closest to "not skilled enough."

[Teraluna]

Going back several years, I remember a similar situation in a WoW raid group where a vital group member was struggling.
It didn't work out well, and the raid leader called it off - there was much muttering and unfortunately some poor comments regarding the individual.

The next thing I knew, my guild leader had invited the person to the guild, and as I was the relevant class leader for that person's role, he asked me to look after the new guy and teach him.
Fair to say I was not that impressed at the time.
Was slow going, but slowly things did get better. After time, mostly down to his perseverance, he grew in confidence and became a core member of the team.
It's not an easy route to take, to bring someone in and take time out to go over and over things, often resulting in less than better outcomes. But looking back it's something that I'm glad we did - even if it felt uncomfortable at the time.
He learnt quite a bit from many members of the guild, but I learnt more.

[Spawnie]

party finder is there for a reason use it

[alimdia]

Going back several years, I remember a similar situation in a WoW raid group where a vital group member was struggling.
It didn't work out well, and the raid leader called it off - there was much muttering and unfortunately some poor comments regarding the individual.

The next thing I knew, my guild leader had invited the person to the guild, and as I was the relevant class leader for that person's role, he asked me to look after the new guy and teach him.

except you can't do that here in DF unless they happen to be in your server

[Blackcanary]

See, I would try to help people, but any time you tell someone "you're playing wrong" they tell you to piss off.

Yea but it's how you say it. If you told me I was playing my job one I would tell u to get the F off and go suck my big toe lol. Telling someone ur playing you job wrong is wrost way to try and help someone. You really should rethink and pick words that would not offened someone.
Also you need to remember a lot these people are casual uses. They just want have fun playing the game they pay a monthly subcribtions for using there hard own cash and escape from what ever they to escape from in reality. The last thing they want to hear are ur playing the job wrong to them that can be harassment. It's all about what you say the words you use. To advice and help someone. Never complain when you get that kind of replay.

[Lambadelta]

They just want have fun playing the game they pay a monthly subcribtions for using there hard own cash and escape from what ever they to escape from in reality.

So do the other 3/7/23 people who have to suffer the guy who is playing his job wrong.

Sometimes people need to suck it up when it comes to the words "your doing it wrong".

[MeiUshu]

So do the other 3/7/23 people who have to suffer the guy who is playing his job wrong.

Sometimes people need to suck it up when it comes to the words "your doing it wrong".

Devil's advocate

But seriously, why should I take your words that I(supposition) play my work bad? afterall I dont know you, never seen you perform MY class, so why should your word matter ? Prove me you can play it better THEN I might listen to you

See my point ?