SAMURAI SHOWDOWN

[Katana190]

His other points are just as superficial as the dps points. And most of his points are against RDM not being a tank.

He comes up with valid points... imo, although as I've stated before, idm SAM or RDM being a tank, as their both really interesting concepts to me, it does however make more sense for SAM to be a tank, again this is just my opinion. All I care for is a tank with a slashing debuff for reasons I'm sure people know.

Edit: Trying to keep a middle ground is hard, but both sides aren't entirely wrong. What annoys me about this thread is people saying we don't need anymore tanks... I'm sorry but I'm getting so brain dead playing the same tank for almost 3 years. We need a new OT tank and I feel SAM and/or RDM can fulfil this. To outright say we don't need anymore tanks is like saying "Idc for the tank population"

[Ciri_Wolf]

He comes up with valid points... imo, although as I've stated before, idm SAM or RDM being a tank, as their both really interesting concepts to me, it does however make more sense for SAM to be a tank, again this is just my opinion. All I care for is a tank with a slashing debuff for reasons I'm sure people know.

Been a while, but doesn't WAR have a slashing debuff?

[ADVSS]

The only tank that does and they all deal slashing damage

[Katana190]

Been a while, but doesn't WAR have a slashing debuff?

Read my edit. What I'm trying to get at is WAR is an essential tank to have in a raid composition, this is obviously a balancing flaw. Same goes for SCH. While WAR's have been stuck on WAR, PLD's have had the luxury of switching between PLD/DRK in raids with no detriment.

[Ciri_Wolf]

Can't edit on phone. I actually don't think we need more tanks. Their team can't even get the tanks we do have right outside of WAR. I think we need more tanks because tank players deserve more variety.

[Ciri_Wolf]

Read my edit. What I'm trying to get at is WAR is an essential tank to have in a raid composition, this is obviously a balancing flaw. Same goes for SCH. While WAR's have been stuck on WAR, PLD's have had the luxury of switching between PLD/DRK in raids with no detriment.

That's a pretty small reason to specifically want SAM tank. Especially when all classes should be able to raid.

[Xlantaa]

Can't edit on phone. I actually don't think we need more tanks. Their team can't even get the tanks we do have right outside of WAR. I think we need more tanks because tank players deserve more variety.

Sorry, but not. We need tanks, to keep people interesed in tanking and avoid them move to other classes cause boring ,or to atract new players to this role. Do not put more tank class will cause the lost of the few we have now. As tank I want more choices in this area. Not only 3. There are already 7 DPS class, what about that? I could say "we don't need more DPS" in the same way. It is always possible add more classes. Quiting tanks will cause people stop play as tank. Then what? I think the "no need tank" argument is very selfish. YOu said it, we need tanks cause we want variety, but the "no need" is not valid.

[Katana190]

Can't edit on phone. I actually don't think we need more tanks. Their team can't even get the tanks we do have right outside of WAR. I think we need more tanks because tank players deserve more variety.

I'm a bit confused at that statement but I think I understand and get where your coming from. If your talking about DRK.. then I have to agree, I adore DRK and love playing it, but I really feel like things are still missing from that job, there's still some QoL I would love to have and such. Also apart from the MP management its mitigation is a straight up Crtl V/ Crtl P of PLD while WAR works completely different. PLD is in a fine spot, its meant to be as basic as it is for newer tanks to get into tanking before going into the advanced section of it. This is another topic though and yes, using the opinion shield, this is my opinion!

But yeah... I'll honestly be happy with 4 tanks for a while if it brings variety to raid compositions along with 4 healers.

Sorry, but not. We need tanks, to keep people interesting in tank and avoid them move to other classes cause boring ,or to atract new players. Not put more tank class will cause the lost of the few we have now. As tank I want more chocies in this area. Not only 3. there are already 7 DPS class, what about that? I could say "we don't need more DPS" in the same way. It is always possible add more classes. Quiting tanks will cause people stop paly as tank. Then what? I think the "no need tank" argument is very selfish.

I agree it is very selfish for DPS players to say that kind of rubbish.. But what we have to remember, is there are 4 DPS in our raid compositions while only 2 tanks. That doesn't mean we don't want more tanks, it just means there will always be more DPS then tanks as this is a norm in MMO's, the way they do it is creating a balance, there are only 2 tanks to balance but 4 DPS. Although I fail to see this balance with again.. WAR and SCH, once we establish 4 tanks and 4 healers, we'll hopefully have more diverse raid compositions .

That's a pretty small reason to specifically want SAM tank. Especially when all classes should be able to raid.

As I already said... I didn't specifically say I want SAM as a tank, just another tank that can provide the slashing debuff, be it SAM or RDM.. WAR is as viable as it is because of the slashing debuff, storms path being a second contender and there dmg output a WAR does is good but isn't all that far behind DRK.

[Ciri_Wolf]

Sorry, but not. We need tanks, to keep people interesed in tanking and avoid them move to other classes cause boring ,or to atract new players to this role. Do not put more tank class will cause the lost of the few we have now. As tank I want more choices in this area. Not only 3. There are already 7 DPS class, what about that? I could say "we don't need more DPS" in the same way. It is always possible add more classes. Quiting tanks will cause people stop play as tank. Then what? I think the "no need tank" argument is very selfish.

I doubt SAM will get actual tank players to quit. The great thing about XIV is it allows multiple classes. Actual tank players will not quit tanking. And I already said we need more tanks. Wanting SAM as a tank is just as selfish as wanting it DPS.

[ADVSS]

#maketankinggreatagain

on a side note, do you feel that reducing the amount of tanks required for the less hardcore 24 man raids was a good idea, considering were talking about a raid comp that involves 2/4/2?