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  1. #141
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    ashwich's Avatar
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    Alion Darcia
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    Excalibur
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ebonwings View Post
    Thanks everyone for responding. I'll keep what you guys suggested in mind and try it next time I run M4. One more thing when BJ appear and does his knockback aoe, does the damage is based on proximity like when he jump?
    I assume when you say "he jump", you're refering to the transition into add phase. well Spoiler alert: that is not proximity based. lol
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  2. #142
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    DWolfwood's Avatar
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    Dylan Wolfwoodicus
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    Goblin
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    Warrior Lv 80
    I was leveling an alt last night as GLA(17?), and I was just thinking how I had the stereotypical worst party imaginable (not counting rude players) in a dungeon. I had two DPS going full force on different enemies and a healer that was spamming heals on me. Every time I took 30-40 damage, I saw a heal for 270-360. I was able to hold threat since I'm a veteran at this point, but it was just ridiculous how uncoordinated and inefficient that group was. I didn't feel like saying anything, which is probably a bad thing to do considering the next tank that if the next tank they come across is relatively new, that tank is going to have a very bad time.
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  3. #143
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    Ebonwings's Avatar
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    Ebonwings Drakostorm
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Lol ok guess I don't have to worry and that. since I love finding ways to minimize dmg as much as possible so I could bored the healers out. XD
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  4. #144
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    Pells's Avatar
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    P'lha Tahl
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Noxifer View Post
    Mostly I agree. There's really no need to heal anyone right away, since only the tanks are going to be taking damage until after DRP. And sure, healing the tanks, but... I know as OT, I stick to Defiance through the pre-buffing/healing until after Brute Justice lands, and without any healing landing on me after the raidwide, I'm at max HP again when I switch to Deliverance. Meaning I've taken less than 20% of my HP pool in damage. So... yeah, it's not going to be that much of an issue during the first few seconds.

    But... Stoneskin2? Mid-combat? O.o What have you been smoking?
    Casting it mid combat isn't a huge problem. Similar to casting Raise mid-combat.
    Swiftcast is a thing.
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  5. #145
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    Pells's Avatar
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    P'lha Tahl
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ebonwings View Post
    Thanks everyone for responding. I'll keep what you guys suggested in mind and try it next time I run M4. One more thing when BJ appear and does his knockback aoe, does the damage is based on proximity like when he jump?
    I've not noticed any more damage, no.

    Mostly everyone gathers together because Sacred Soil and AE heals are simpler that way.
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  6. #146
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    KeiranOlive's Avatar
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    Keicha Olive
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Pells View Post
    Casting it mid combat isn't a huge problem. Similar to casting Raise mid-combat.
    Swiftcast is a thing.
    What he meant was that stoneskin 2 cannot be used during combat. Only the single target stoneskin can be casted mid fight.
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  7. #147
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    Pells's Avatar
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    P'lha Tahl
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by KeiranOlive View Post
    What he meant was that stoneskin 2 cannot be used during combat. Only the single target stoneskin can be casted mid fight.
    Ah. Yes. That would be a problem.
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  8. #148
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    Clansman2016's Avatar
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    Character
    Kyudokai Thornbow
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    Diabolos
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    Bard Lv 60

    New Tank

    I've only been playing a couple of months and tried my hand at tanking for the very first in my first dungeon last week. I ended up grouped with 2 really well geared lvl 60 DPS, a BLM and a BRD and a high level healer (all scaled down of course). No matter what I did, I lost aggro on almost every pull. We didn't wipe and nobody complained, however, it wasn't a great tanking experience and I haven't tanked again since. It's time to try again I think
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  9. #149
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    Ebonwings Drakostorm
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Clansman2016 View Post
    I've only been playing a couple of months and tried my hand at tanking for the very first in my first dungeon last week. I ended up grouped with 2 really well geared lvl 60 DPS, a BLM and a BRD and a high level healer (all scaled down of course). No matter what I did, I lost aggro on almost every pull. We didn't wipe and nobody complained, however, it wasn't a great tanking experience and I haven't tanked again since. It's time to try again I think
    Don't worry too much about it in this case where tank is outgeared by DPS and healer there's nothing much we can do except try spamming flash/unleash/overpower, and RoH/PS/Butcher Block combo ( Hence I'm not a WAR yet, so excuse my WAR rotation) in order to get as much aggro as we can.
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  10. #150
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    Fluffernuff's Avatar
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    Aethys Aeon
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    Goblin
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Clansman2016 View Post
    I've only been playing a couple of months and tried my hand at tanking for the very first in my first dungeon last week. I ended up grouped with 2 really well geared lvl 60 DPS, a BLM and a BRD and a high level healer (all scaled down of course). No matter what I did, I lost aggro on almost every pull. We didn't wipe and nobody complained, however, it wasn't a great tanking experience and I haven't tanked again since. It's time to try again I think
    Honestly, its a scaling issue. it is completely normal for a synced level 60 tank to have emnity issues under those circumstances depending on the dungeon. you can imagine how much worse it is as a freshly/undergeared tank with little experience going into that. If it was any dungeon pre- toto-rak, its honestly so common that it's expected. I wouldn't be too discouraged over it. however, after level 26 (30 for warrior) and you get your 3rd emnity combo(rage of halone/power slash/butcher's block), that will START being less and less of an issue.

    honestly for low level first time tanking, i would highly suggest drk if you have a 60. unleash+blood weapon gives you a very reliable AoE tanking base the other 2 dont have pre-30, and translates very well to gladiator with flash and riot blade
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