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  1. #41
    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Excalibur
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Jpec07 View Post
    D'oh! I keep forgetting that I can do that! XD

    While we're on the topic of Materia, a random question comes to mind; does anyone know if tanks' self heals benefit from MND? I'm not talking cross-class Cure, but things like Bloodbath, Abyssal Drain, Grit+Souleater, etc. Don't think it try it, but I'd be amused if tanks benefitted from it at all.
    VIT or STR. I know for DRK the Spell comes off of VIT/STR.

    MND only affects "Healing Magic" and DRK has none of that. BB is based on physical damage. Hence stupid shit like BB Vengeance or BB Elixir Field.

    Too bad BB doesn't work on DoT ticks as well since Salted Earth deals Physical DoT damage.

    Not sure what Clemency scales off of. Can't be MND so probably VIT/STR as well.

    That said with more Piety...Sole Survivor restore on MP gets stronger. ~Piety Build Meta~
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  2. #42
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    Matthias Gendrin
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    Cactuar
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    Not sure what Clemency scales off of. Can't be MND so probably VIT/STR as well.
    Clemency scales with Attack Power. Back when Str-stacking was A Thing, my Str set made Clemecy heal for 5-6k (I got a 9k Crit once and nearly fell out of my chair), while my Vit set was only 3-4k. This makes me sad for some reason, because I feel slightly neutered, as it now only heals for ~5k.

    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    That said with more Piety...Sole Survivor restore on MP gets stronger. ~Piety Build Meta~
    I think we should call it: "Magius' PIE in the Sky Meta"
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  3. #43
    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jpec07 View Post
    Clemency scales with Attack Power. Back when Str-stacking was A Thing, my Str set made Clemecy heal for 5-6k (I got a 9k Crit once and nearly fell out of my chair), while my Vit set was only 3-4k. This makes me sad for some reason, because I feel slightly neutered, as it now only heals for ~5k.
    The you got that WAR over there popping Berserk and uses Equil and just gets that nice 7k noncrit heal for free every minute. No MP/TP cost.
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  4. #44
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    Falar's Avatar
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    Kane Blackstone
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinzee View Post
    2k souleaters noncrit inside grit are easy achievable in a party with slashing debuff/food and decent equipment. Also if you feel drk is a weak noodle compared to a warrior then your just doing smth wrong
    At i225 solo without Grit on my DASE is averaging 2200. In a party with Grit on and the slashing debuff it is almost the same since my ATK power is 30 higher in a party and the debuff is 10%. Crits to 3500.
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  5. #45
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    Shinzee Kun
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    Lich
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    My DASE is in party with grit non crit at about 2,4k and crit at about 3.5 to 4k while outside grit its about 3 to 3,5 noncrit and about 4,5 to 5,4 crit.
    But these numbers are also at ilvl 239
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    Last edited by Shinzee; 05-07-2016 at 12:27 PM.

  6. #46
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    Falar's Avatar
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    Kane Blackstone
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinzee View Post
    My DASE is in party with grit non crit at about 2,4k and crit at about 3.5 to 4k while outside grit its about 3 to 3,5 noncrit and about 4,5 to 5,4 crit.
    But these numbers are also at ilvl 239
    Man that is a high ilevel. Looking at all the BiS guides so many of the pieces aren't i240 I didn't think anyone would be much over i230-232.
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  7. #47
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    Eonkhui Malaguld
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Falar View Post
    Man that is a high ilevel. Looking at all the BiS guides so many of the pieces aren't i240 I didn't think anyone would be much over i230-232.
    That's the thing, when you do progression you take all the pieces you can because ilvl>secondaries, you don't buy only for bis.
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  8. #48
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    Yuni Captain
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    Brynhildr
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Ok, i think i will go crazy in a sec.

    RESTORING ACTIVE STATUS OF THIS TOPIC!

    DRK i227 1094,78 -- 3:01 min -- crit rate: 11%.

    60 Det melded on left side +
    54 Crit melded on left side +

    45 Str melded on right side so far.

    (parse numbers and meld build found on internet)

    Part 1:
    Is it high/low dmg? trained on dummy, made only 3 min to test how very efficient crit is.

    Part 2:
    Quote Originally Posted by JackFross View Post
    AP - 1
    STR - 0.45
    VIT - 0.45
    DET - 0.139
    CRT - 0.166
    SKS - 0.117

    Applying the latter three to Materia IV and V:
    STR 5 = 6.750
    STR 4 = 3.150

    CRT 5 = 1.992
    DET 5 = 1.668
    CRT 4 = 1.494
    SKS 5 = 1.404
    SKS 4 = 1.053

    DET 4 = 0.834
    According to dis (Jack <3) Crit and Det are on the top of the list as for dps ascension.

    However i am getting notes, that this is kinda low compared to full eso pre 3.2 WAR build who could make 1100 on easy.
    They asked me if i meld full DET and Parry for my DRK, since its a very good combination.
    Now, they compared WAR's dmg output to DRK's, so i stopped reading the chat, but it kinda buggers me now.
    I doubt that they have any legit info about builds at all, but to make sure, i am asking here.

    Whats the AP per point for each statistic, specifically for DRK?
    I have two Det IV's melded in there (and two Crit IV's - rest are all Vs), waiting to get my hands on some Vs. Should i get rid of them right now and meld SkS IV's instead? Will this be so much difference so it can't wait for those grade V's materias?
    Should i give up more Crit to indeed increase Det strongly?

    Rotation is flawless, i have good MP managment and all offensive skills are used correctly. (not too modest, but i am almost certain, that i am doing this class correctly)

    Halp, i really thought i am good.
    .__.
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  9. #49
    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Excalibur
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    396 Pie gets 7839 MP. NQ Hot Chocolate pushes to 7904. HQ Cider should break 8k.

    However at 7.8k SoSu only refunds 1565 mana.

    We'd need 9k to break 1800.

    Gonna sit on it and see what relic phase brings us.

    Enjoying my cheaper costs though.
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