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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameplayzero View Post
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    Well, this certainly would be the case if Defiance actually increased healing by 25%*. Warriors don't get an "instant rampart" either for tank busters if you're not including CDs. If it was the case, what does this make Shield Oath and Grit?

    * Which it does not. It's 20%
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    Out of all 3 the Dark Knight is the hardest, but in general it depends on the players ability to dodge and use defensive cooldown spells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    Well, this certainly would be the case if Defiance actually increased healing by 25%*. Warriors don't get an "instant rampart" either for tank busters if you're not including CDs. If it was the case, what does this make Shield Oath and Grit?

    * Which it does not. It's 20%
    I think someone mathed it out and said PLD/DRK are 4% easier to fully heal than WAR, who has to make up the difference with self heals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    Well, this certainly would be the case if Defiance actually increased healing by 25%*. Warriors don't get an "instant rampart" either for tank busters if you're not including CDs. If it was the case, what does this make Shield Oath and Grit?

    * Which it does not. It's 20%
    you misunderstand. When I said "not including CDs" I meant in that calculation/example. Not overall. Otherwise that wouldn't make sense. I fixed my wording to stop further confusion. I'm just saying how important it is to factor that warrior has basically a cooldown they can use for every tank buster. A mini rampart/shadowskin if you will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameplayzero View Post
    you misunderstand. When I said "not including CDs" I meant in that calculation/example. Not overall. Otherwise that wouldn't make sense. I fixed my wording to stop further confusion. I'm just saying how important it is to factor that warrior has basically a cooldown they can use for every tank buster.
    you still forgot something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    you still forgot something
    which is? If you are going to say shelltron then thats only affected by physical attacks. Inner beast isn't. Or that "fights are scripted" then yeah I'm not going to disagree with that. Just saying IB is the only tank buster that can be applied whenever.

    I'd rather you just outright say what I forgot lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameplayzero View Post
    which is? If you are going to say shelltron then thats only affected by physical attacks. Inner beast isn't.
    I'll repeat the first thing then: Warriors do not get an extra 25% healing. It's 20%. So your whole equation is off by 5%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    I'll repeat the first thing then: Warriors do not get an extra 25% healing. It's 20%. So your whole equation is off by 5%.
    actually you are right. I'll swap the examples then. I should have checked more thoroughly instead of just ripping it from a forum and hardly reading it. School/work has been kicking my butt lately since i've been hardly getting any sleep lol.

    Thanks for the clarification.
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    Last edited by Gameplayzero; 05-06-2016 at 11:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laerune View Post
    Out of all 3 the Dark Knight is the hardest, but in general it depends on the players ability to dodge and use defensive cooldown spells.
    That isn't exactly true, and a bit too general of a statement. Raid instances like most of Alexander where there is mainly magic damage, DRK will actually end up taking less damage and ultimately be easier to heal the heaviest tank busters. PLD shield cannot block magic.

    DRK has have a PLD "Sentinel" equivalent that is just for magic available every 60s in DA+Dark Mind. PLD can only negate flat 30% damage every 180s. But on the opposite token where the instance is more physical, PLD has passive block capability with shield, whereas DRK has to rely on their basic cooldowns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    DRK has have a PLD "Sentinel" equivalent that is just for magic available every 60s in DA+Dark Mind. PLD can only negate flat 30% damage every 180s. But on the opposite token where the instance is more physical, PLD has passive block capability with shield, whereas DRK has to rely on their basic cooldowns.
    It doesn't invalidate your reasoning at all, but Sentinel is 40%.
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