Improve the playerbase, add a built in DPS/HPS/AoE Fail meter

[Ciri_Wolf]

You can stop pretending people won't use parsers to point out someone's dps. And stop getting so emotionally invested lol. I guess it doesn't matter either way. We're not getting parsers.

[Destous]

You can stop pretending people won't use parsers to point out someone's dps. And stop getting so emotionally invested lol. I guess it doesn't matter either way. We're not getting parsers.

Do you have an argument or points to be made that don't involve some ambiguous "king of trolls" who will descend upon players with their trusty parse numbers?

The point of a parser is to point on someone's DPS.
The point of pointing out someone's DPS isn't strictly for the purpose of trolling.

You could be a contender against a white dwarf star for densest object in the universe.

[Ciri_Wolf]

Do you have an argument or points to be made that don't involve some ambiguous "king of trolls" who will descend upon players with their trusty parse numbers?

The point of a parser is to point on someone's DPS.
The point of pointing out someone's DPS isn't strictly for the purpose of trolling.

You could be a contender against a white dwarf star for densest object in the universe.

You need better reading comprehension skills. I never said everyone was gonna troll with a parser. I also said bad players will use parsers to make excuses for their own mistakes. There's no argument to make. And that word dense doesn't mean what you think it means.

[Destous]

You need better reading comprehension skills. I never said everyone was gonna troll with a parser. I also said bad players will use parsers to make excuses for their own mistakes. There's no argument to make. And that word dense doesn't mean what you think it means.

Whatever you want to believe, bud. Your posts in the thread speak for themselves; and that message is "parsers are bad because trolls will troll with them and destroy the game". It's a hyperbolic, doomsayer message that carries close to no weight.

And yes, you're incredibly dense.

[Ciri_Wolf]

Whatever you want to believe, bud. Your posts in the thread speak for themselves; and that message is "parsers are bad because trolls will troll with them and destroy the game". It's a hyperbolic, doomsayer message that carries close to no weight.

And yes, you're incredibly dense.

Kay, you saying people won't troll with it is pretty silly. Insulting me twice doesn't make your silly argument any less silly, though.

[Destous]

Kay, you saying people won't troll with it is pretty silly. Insulting me twice doesn't make your silly argument any less silly, though.

I never said people won't troll with a parser. Trolls will troll with anything available, as it's their prerogative to troll.
I said that a built in parser won't cause in-game trolling to skyrocket; and will ultimately lead to more good than harm.

DENSE.

[Ciri_Wolf]

I never said people won't troll with a parser. Trolls will troll with anything available, as it's their prerogative to troll.
I said that a built in parser won't cause in-game trolling to skyrocket; and will ultimately lead to more good than harm.

DENSE.

You need to re-read what you wrote then. Also conjecture. Yoshi P disagrees.

[Laerune]

The parser as a tool is great, but like most tools they can be abused to inflict harm on others. I used to be an advocate supporter of parsers, back when they first showed up in World of Warcraft. I was naive and thought that this tool would encourage others to improve their gameplay and some of them did. Then I started seeing people saying stuff like you need to do Y damage per second or X damage per second. Casuals and Hardcore players started dictating how much dps a player should deal. Whenever someone failed to meet these standards, they were verbally abused and shamed. At first this was a small issue, it happend only to those that raid alot, then it started affecting the random players that joined the duty finder and played casual, they too got insulted and were told to meet the standard or be kicked.

I love to have a personal parser, because if I am able to improve myself, as a gamer, why shouldnt I? But not everyone has the same reasons as me and not everyone is as kind as the posters here who claim that the tool will only be used to help. The parser will be used to inflict harm and demean others, its already happening with ACT, I have seen players insulting others during a roulette and they saying stuff that makes it very obvious that they are using a tool to see the damage dealt by the other players. The only reason why alot of gamers are not using the data from the parsers, is because they are afraid of being reported and banned. If SE changes this and using parsers is allowed, then from past experiences in other mmorpgs, I can assure you that this tool will be used to insult and shame others and not to help. I have witnessed communities becomming very toxic.

That is why I want to have a personal parser, so I can improve myself and not one where others can judge me for it.

I never said people won't troll with a parser. Trolls will troll with anything available, as it's their prerogative to troll.
I said that a built in parser won't cause in-game trolling to skyrocket; and will ultimately lead to more good than harm.

DENSE.

I can understand how having parsers will ultimately help when you are playing with friends, static and free company members, but I have to disagree that this tool will do more good then harm in the end when it comes to the playerbase overall. MMORPG like World of Warcraft have shown me that in general this tool wiill increase the toxic behavior of players, I have seen this in other mmorpgs aswell. If you are raiding with mates, the odds of them verbally abusing you or shaming you is very low, but strangers are not as kind.

You say that the parser will ultimately lead to more good than harm, can you share with us, where you got this from? Is it from a past experience and if it is, was it with friends or a whole community?

[Destous]

where you got this from? Is it from a past experience and if it is, was it with friends or a whole community?

Anyone with a prerogative to parse troll is already doing it. Handing a parse to players who don't currently troll won't suddenly make them into parse trolling monsters.

A parse just compiles all the info in the battle log into an easy to decipher format. By making this already available information more clear, it allows players to better analyze how they're playing the game and where they can stand to improve.

The fear of a parse troll is a hyperbolic, boogeyman argument against having a meter built into the game. I have a friend list and FC filled with people who always run a parse for all the content they run; despite that, they never mention a player's damage numbers outside of people subbing into a static, because that's when it makes a difference between wiping and clearing.

[Canadane]

You can stop pretending people won't use parsers to point out someone's dps. And stop getting so emotionally invested lol.

I'm sure they will. If someone is doing 300 DPS in a place where 1000 is more appropriate, it's only courteous to let the guy know. Something may be wrong, hindering him at that moment. He may not even know he's not performing well!
Bringing it to attention isn't trolling, it isn't toxic. It's simply trying to help.