Palace of the Dead (PAX)

[odintius]

How does it add horizontal progression if it is only usable inside. That just means we have 2 separate vertical progressions for two different areas.

Materia and probably other ways as well for outside rewards besides just gear, which cause the whole well is it worth it or not situation in the first place. Think outside the box instead of staying in the box, I rather have stuff added interesting effect etc, than nothing at all and the rewards in this game is the biggest problem as I see it because of pure vertical progression.

I'm sorry, I do not understand your response.

How does materia fit into this conversation?
A. Because it could be used as a way to go to this feature to get ability/effect materia for jobs to be used while in said feature and special effect gear drops from here as well that can be converted in specialty materia to insert if you want to keep that effect on perhaps a better stat piece.
Outside rewards, I thought you said you hope it doesn't effect the outside?
A. Potions/food/materia/mounts/minions/treasure map/accessories perhaps thinking or rings, when you get at right level of course like max-ether potions drops etc, material used that only can get in this feature to be used to craft <insert name here> from drops/chest ect, gear doesn't need to be all be all of rewards if the gear used in dungeons.

[Kaurie]

Materia and probably other ways as well for outside rewards besides just gear, which cause the whole well is it worth it or not situation in the first place. Think outside the box instead of staying in the box, I rather have stuff added interesting effect etc, than nothing at all and the rewards in this game is the biggest problem as I see it because of pure vertical progression.

I'm sorry, I do not understand your response.

How does materia fit into this conversation?

Outside rewards, I thought you said you hope it doesn't effect the outside?

Q.How does materia fit into this conversation?
A. Because it could be used as a way to go to this feature to get ability/effect materia for jobs to be used while in said feature and special effect gear drops from here as well that can be converted in specialty materia to insert if you want to keep that effect on perhaps a better stat piece.

This doesn't add horizontal progression. We already have materia as an option. This potentially (not even necessarily likely) just adds another vertical progression model with the same horizontal progression system we have in a limited environment. That isn't expanding horizontal progression,.

Outside rewards, I thought you said you hope it doesn't effect the outside?
A. Potions/food/materia/mounts/minions/treasure map/accessories perhaps thinking or rings, when you get at right level of course like max-ether potions drops etc, material used that only can get in this feature to be used to craft <insert name here> from drops/chest ect, gear doesn't need to be all be all of rewards if the gear used in dungeons.

I may have missed it, did they say that food and potions would be drops, and that they would be usable elsewhere? Accessories is gear btw.

That said, horizontal progression doesn't mean getting minions, mounts and potions. It's about obtaining gear that is of equivalent level with varying stats, so that you can change how you play without getting necessarily stronger.

[odintius]

I'm sorry, .

The current materia system is a joke you can only increase your secondary stats mostly go to PvP NPC's and look at it materia/gear selection I'm asking for abilities/effects type of materia gear with set bonuses. Also you have to earn it in some way spiritbond convert gear something beside the current norm.

I suggestion on my part for an alternative rewards and duh accessories I only consider rings, because the one item you can't wear two of the same type they need to adding somewhere for this feature maybe not. All I see is will it be worth it comments the answer is no not with the current vertical progression we have currently. Is my sugesstion the all be all fix no, but at least I'm trying to come up with something not perfect but something.

[Kaurie]

The current materia system is a joke you can only increase your secondary stats mostly go to PvP NPC's and look at it materia/gear selection I'm asking for abilities/effects type of materia gear with set bonuses. Also you have to earn it in some way spiritbond convert gear something beside the current norm.

I suggestion on my part for an alternative rewards and duh accessories I only consider rings, because the one item you can't wear two of the same type they need to adding somewhere for this feature maybe not. All I see is will it be worth it comments the answer is no not with the current vertical progression we have currently. Is my sugesstion the all be all fix no, but at least I'm trying to come up with something not perfect but something.

Oh, so you are requesting more horizontal progression, not suggesting that this content will provide it?

[odintius]

Oh, so you are requesting more horizontal progression, not suggesting that this content will provide it?

Kinda both I like what we have I just like something more added around it that's all I also think this feature be the entry point to add or stepping stones to slowly introduce it into the game.

[mosaicex]

At first I was excited,

Then I remembered Diadem.

[Asuras]

I suppose it's too early to snap to judgment... but my honest "initial" reaction to the pictures and content info was described in two words:tacky and cheap. Of course, things are not polished yet and we are just looking at images of future content.

I know that they're trying the whole pseudo "competitive PVE" thing for people who don't want to do the "competitive PVP" thing. I guess I was just expecting something more... creative.

[Myvar]

Maybe at the bottom we will get to fight Elidibus who summons a form of Zodiark, and the Summoners who are able to survive for the entire fight will be able to summon it as an Egi.

[Nekodar]

The current materia system is a joke you can only increase your secondary stats mostly go to PvP NPC's and look at it materia/gear selection I'm asking for abilities/effects type of materia gear with set bonuses. Also you have to earn it in some way spiritbond convert gear something beside the current norm.

For abilities/effects type of bonuses, each ability/effect that give you a gain, has to come with something detrimental as well. The abjuration gear in XI had both positive and negative effects as an example.

[Kurogaea]

A good thought popped in my head. We should lose all our current gear in there and have to find and obtain our gear as we ascend floors. Either that or weapons and gear have their stats reset and level using some sort of innovative system on each floor giving the players choices for our preferences. Maybe each level we get stat points or something. That'd be pretty sweet.