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    C'alih Tia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuni_Queen View Post
    It is Tanks job to hold threat, and if lost, only tanks fault.
    I respectfully disagree with that statement of yours. Yes, it's the tank's job to hold enmity. But there are situations where little can be done about losing enmity. In particular at lvl 50 and 60, where it's possible to outgear a new tank by a lot. Sure, it's easier to get lvl 50 gear now, just by finishing Job quests and progressing through MSQ, but it still takes you through plenty of instances with "sub-par" gear. Fortunately, most of these are 8-man duties, so unless you're extremely unlucky the other tank is synched down (and thus i130+, not sure if it's just 130 after the latest adjustments) instead of i90 or thereabouts.
    Yes, you can buy i115 gear off the MB, but depending on world that can be really expensive -- especially accessories. And unless you get them in HQ, they're worse than i90.

    (Frequent Medica2 use during certain phases of T9 also come to mind... More than one time, the boss came back to kick the healers/dps in the face instead of the MT. And since the boss is untargetable until then, there is very little the tank can do about it.)

    It's a bit like cleaning the floor with someone stalking you with mud-covered shoes. It's your responsibility to clean up, but is it your fault it's next to impossible? ^^;
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    Player Aquaslash's Avatar
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    Zinnia Higana
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxifer View Post
    I respectfully disagree with that statement of yours. Yes, it's the tank's job to hold enmity. But there are situations where little can be done about losing enmity. In particular at lvl 50 and 60, where it's possible to outgear a new tank by a lot.
    I can attest to this. I recall many a neverfun run where I've ripped hate off a fresh 60 like it was child's play. It also happens during hunts semi frequently.

    These deeps don't play no games...
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    Player Yuni_Queen's Avatar
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    Yuni Captain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxifer View Post
    It's a bit like cleaning the floor with someone stalking you with mud-covered shoes. It's your responsibility to clean up, but is it your fault it's next to impossible?;
    You got my heart with this line. xD

    While i wholeheartedly agree that holding hate with big-weenie-dps and healer overhealing with burning passion is absolutely an unfair fight, the only thing dps/healer could do is to pop some shroud or quelling strikes... if they feel like it. literally, we can't expect other party members to watch out for enmity generation. Sure, it is common sense for me, that i switch targets to do not get hit in the face, but it is not written down in "How to Big-weenie-DPS - guide". DPS not using quelling strikes or switching targets is like tank not using tank stance to generate enmity from bosses - generally possible, but why making things so hard?
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