DF Tank Experience

[LordLucavi]

Myrmidion Princess wipings
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The most common and effective strategy for that boss in cutter's cry is for the healer to pop a HoT on the tank and kite the adds all the way around the room until the princess is dead, and the one HoT is all the tank should need to stay alive.

[AriKitae]

Your attitude supports the notion you think this is a ludicrous stance because in no way would the healer or dps be at fault according to you, and if they were, it was likely the tank's fault in the first place.

Actually, no. I did say in your post that some of your grievances were valid. My stance, however, is one of personal responsibility. I have experienced every single complaint that you have listed in this post and have found ways to adapt to each one of them. It might not be the most fun time to have to adapt, but that is what being a team player is. Being a team player as a tank is flashing more when your healer overheals or cycling targets when the DPS are focusing two different things or nuking the whole pack. Being a team player isn't pointing fingers or expecting DPS to muzzle themselves so that the tank doesn't have to focus on enmity so much.


I want you to understand that you can still tank correctly, even with a not so perfect party. I am sorry if my posts are a little bit too "tough love", but you can get to that place where you don't just get commendations for smooth runs but also for the ones where you save the the day with your skill and expertise.

You can and hopefully will get to a place where you will get a "feel" for enmity, and you won't even have to look at your enmity gauges often to know when you need to flash or switch targets. But many of these tanking skills come from your own hard work and dedication, including watching those gauges like a keen-multitasking-hawk when you are starting out, and working with unruly pugs is part of that. You won't get there right away, but you can do it as long as you are willing to put in the work and take responsibility for your role in the party's success.

[Nezkeys79]

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Your post again was just littered with condescending remarks along the lines of "I know it all", "the tank should never lose aggro ever", "it's your fault always and you need to get better at your job", "tough love", then proceeded to give me advice for things I already know and do.

You then had the audacity to suggest I am not a team player when the very motive for this post is to say I'm fed up with other players who decide not be team players and just bandwagon on the "tank hate" mentality. My whole ethos is for the party to work together as a team, and a dps who pulls before me, and healers who heal them and regen/holy me before I have cemented aggro, or run away from me instead of towards me are not the hallmarks of team players. Especially when all they have to offer in chat is "you can't even hold aggro". Not once have you accepted that there may be times when a dps and healer are at fault and the tank is doing everything right. I'm not saying this happens a lot but it happens enough for me to be pissed off about it.

Since you can't read my posts properly or even understand what this post is about without stroking your epeen I'll just ignore whatever you say from now on because you aren't really helping

[Yuni_Queen]

Now children, ^ this is how you make DF experience bad. Don't follow his example! Or ugly Matoya will come to eat you.

You started a topic in seeking of help and opinions and you ended up making certain, that you are that type of a guy, that is making storms and problems in DF.
You really must be surprised to hear, that it is most likely your fault that you have bad DF experience.

[Nezkeys79]

You really must be surprised to hear, that it is most likely your fault that you have bad DF experience.

The only reason you replied is because you are really surprised to hear that a tank isn't to blame for everything. You literally can't accept it might be anyone elses fault. Read my posts properly and seriously stop defending halfwits in DF. I make mistakes here and there just like everyone else will sometimes so I can let most of them go. It's when you have to deal with the repeated same shit from players that decide they want to be a selfish prick in DF, which doesn't happen a lot but enough to warrant a rant about it. Most of the things I posted about what these players are doing .... if you actually think that's the correct way to play the game then SIGH

[LeeraSorlan]

i dont have any problems tanking lower dungeons tbh.

In most cases, before shield oath/halone, flash generates more enmity (Even on single target) than your 1 2 combo does.


Assuming you < shield lob < run into mobs while shield lobbing (Do not wait for enemies to run to you) < flash twice < enmity combo < flash < enmity combo < flash < repeat repeat repeat.


You should have 0 problems with enmity. There is zero(0) encounters in this game in which you are unable to get a flash in at the start before an enemy aoe comes out or is able to hit you.


So you are most definitely doing the beginning pulls slightly wrong, based on your post.


The rest of your complaints are most definitely annoying and valid, however you can adapt to those situations as you get more used to them ,just take a bit of practice

[Rongway]

You literally can't accept it might be anyone elses fault.

WHAT I DO ON TRASH PULLS: Make sure stoneskin is up first. I usually cast this myself but I've found some whm start casting it on me after a few pulls so I stop casting it on myself.

3)Fast Blade
4)Ravage Blade
5)Rage of Halone(when it's dungeons without this ws they are the hardest)
Repeat steps 2-5 but tab targets and spread my combo around if I see the hp of multiple enemies going down

In terms of enmity generation,
Fast Blade is 150 potency.
Savage Blade is 700 potency.
Rage of Halone 1300 potency.

The Rage of Halone combo is a total of 2150 potency, or an average of 716 per GCD.
The Savage Blade combo, pre-RoH, is 850 potency, or an average of 425 per GCD.
With Fight or Flight, these values are 2795 (931 per GCD) and 1105 (552 per GCD), respectively.
If we account for baseline crits (5% chance for x1.45 damage), the expected values are around 2900 (966 per GCD) and 1130 (565 per GCD), respectively.

Flash is 600 potency per GCD...on a single target. This is still better than a Fight or Flight enhanced Savage Blade mini combo on a single target.
On two targets, you get 1200 potency per GCD.
On three targets, you get 1800 potency per GCD.


So...Yes, you are absolutely generating far less hate than you could be generating, and you should adjust your tactics before pointing the finger at everyone else.

[Yuni_Queen]

The only reason you replied is because you are really surprised to hear that a tank isn't to blame for everything. You literally can't accept it might be anyone elses fault.

Funny xD literally funny xD
I am tank by main from 2.0 and i have more tanking experience than you so it seems, but yet all we write here, you consider "defending halfwits" and not reading your posts.
If you want people to give you likes and agree with you, when you are totally lost in a forest, go to the Technical Support section.

Not always, but mostly.
Not everyone's, but single person's.

The fact you make mistakes is nothing surprising, but the fact you don't understand, that you will find different people in DF that will give you cancer, is indeed surprising.
Halfwits, douchebag, morons - you called all these people like only them exist in DF parties.
I made yesterday whole weekly lore cap. spaming expert roulette. and i didn't have even single rant about me loosing / not holding aggro, when upon my huge pulls reinforcemnt caught me without mana.
Not even once.

I will tell you a secret. When party wipes becuase of others mistakes, swallow it / ignore it / say it's all cool and try again.

From your current posts, you only prove me, this is you, who start makes problems out of nothing.

We gave you notes on holding hate, but you seem to be more interested in our reactions, when we are called shit tanks or why they dare to call you one.

Also this comment just displays why DF is like it is. The party is a team effort and everyone has to watch how much enmity they are generating. If you aren't paying attention and hitting the mob as a healer to top up dps(or any other action), before the tank does anything then sigh.

No, no, just no. This post gave me cancer.
People are telling you what you do wrong and you stubbornly ignore those posts responding only for those, that opinion you do not share. And you respond only to negate what one's said.

You have paladin on 60.
I can't believe you are writing thigns like that ^. Tank is supposed to hold aggro. That's the damn core of what you are supposed to do. "you had one job!" <- here you go with basic motivation towards understandign tank role itself. DPS are supposed to deal damage. Dragoon or Black Mage WILL NOT stop dpsing, becuase they are almost stealing aggro. If they are even paying attention (and they don't have to, thats absolutely not their problem) they will kindly switch target.

Read the posts here people have written to help you understand how to pull/hold as Paladin and show some basic humility towards those trying to help you, rather than typing "you don't read my post" in almost every single response.

[Aquaslash]

The only reason you replied is because you are really surprised to hear that a tank isn't to blame for everything. You literally can't accept it might be anyone elses fault. Read my posts properly and seriously stop defending halfwits in DF. I make mistakes here and there just like everyone else will sometimes so I can let most of them go. It's when you have to deal with the repeated same shit from players that decide they want to be a selfish prick in DF, which doesn't happen a lot but enough to warrant a rant about it. Most of the things I posted about what these players are doing .... if you actually think that's the correct way to play the game then SIGH

Something something better to close your mouth and let others think you're a fool than to open it and remove all doubt

[LegitChamp]

I think what we've learned in this thread is that a number of Nezkeys79s complaints are valid. However, there is a lot of room for improvement when it comes to his tanking. The tips included in this thread should be helpful for all new tanks but especially PLDs.

Mainly: Flash more and move between pulls faster. This will lead to much smoother pulls and overall runs which will lead to a lot less frustrating interactions between you and your party members.