Just a thought (Haurchefant and Shiva)

[FoxyAreku]

harchefant was a bland character imo and honestly i had no friggin clue who he was when he died as literally he was just "another elezen that helps us on our journey" the only reason i know his name now is because of all the people mourning this dude for some reason lol, hes easily replacable to me, just give us some generic elezen and we are good to go.

You clearly never watched cutscenes or paid attention to quest text.

Haurchefant has been there since 2.0 leveling, ever since level 30, and showed up countless times throughout the leveling and level 50 plot (as well as being the only reason house fortemps took us in when we went to foundation), and had a cute personality as well as quite a bit of depth. If you don't know who is, then that reeks of you skipping the majority of cutscenes and not paying attention at all.

[Kurogaea]

You clearly never watched cutscenes or paid attention to quest text.

Haurchefant has been there since 2.0 leveling, ever since level 30, and showed up countless times throughout the leveling and level 50 plot (as well as being the only reason house fortemps took us in when we went to foundation), and had a cute personality as well as quite a bit of depth. If you don't know who is, then that reeks of you skipping the majority of cutscenes and not paying attention at all.

I remember one quest where we talked to an ishgardian in coerthas as part of a mission, but it was easily forgettable as he didn't really stand out from the other characters around the WoL until Heavensward (imo). Not to mention how freakishly huge the lore is in this game that makes me forget little meetings, and for some people I happen to take part in every sidequest to see what I can find that's new differentiating from the dungeon spamming. Like the Malkot family. Love em. The hunter quests in Dravania, poor chocobos X(. Not much I can name because most after that they all threw cliche's and bland commentary at you that just makes you go " uuuhhhhhhh" and its generally uninteresting unless you like every bit of information that wouldn't benefit you.

I love fun stories. Harry, he was no fun to me, it just seemed like i was pushed to do more work for being in his presence just to "survive" even though I'm the WoL, a**kicker of Odin and gods alike. That's just me though. Your all entitled to your opinions and such. Some just don't like Harry or think much of Aymeric.....or Ysale *twitch*. X)

[LeeraSorlan]

You clearly never watched cutscenes or paid attention to quest text.

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read the above quote that is directed at you as it will be more or less my response as well, he was a minor character that was rather forgettable,i dont really remember characters that have a minor plot point or that i just dont care about.honestly the saddest thing about his death to me was that he died for literaly no reason, my plot armor wouldhave protected me had he not been there at all, he shouldnt have died protecting me he sould have died fighting or something.i get they wanted to make it emotional, but this is something they should have done with a character that has a little more relevance to the overall story, such as a scion or perhaps even shiva

[Lunaxia]

I love fun stories. Harry, he was no fun to me, it just seemed like i was pushed to do more work for being in his presence just to "survive" even though I'm the WoL, a**kicker of Odin and gods alike. That's just me though. Your all entitled to your opinions and such. Some just don't like Harry or think much of Aymeric.....or Ysale *twitch*. X)

> He helps you find your ship
> He helps you fight the Dravanian knights
> He has supplies sent to Revenant's Toll
> He gives you a place to stay when you become a fugitive and persuades his family to take you in
> He saves you from the Vanu Vanu
> He helps you against Charibert
> He literally saves your life

???

he shouldnt have died protecting me he sould have died fighting or something.i get they wanted to make it emotional, but this is something they should have done with a character that has a little more relevance to the overall story, such as a scion or perhaps even shiva

His whole raison d'etre and reason for becoming a knight was to protect and help those in need. Not only did he gave his life protecting someone important to him, but by saving the WoL he indirectly saved Eorzea by protecting its saviour. That's pretty poignant IMO.

[Kurogaea]

> He helps you find your ship
> He helps you fight the Dravanian knights
> He has supplies sent to Revenant's Toll
> He gives you a place to stay when you become a fugitive and persuades his family to take you in
> He saves you from the Vanu Vanu
> He helps you against Charibert
> He literally saves your life

???



His whole raison d'etre and reason for becoming a knight was to protect and help those in need. Not only did he gave his life protecting someone important to him, but by saving the WoL he indirectly saved Eorzea by protecting its saviour. That's pretty poignant IMO.

If I recall I think we needed permission to enter certain areas of Coerthas because Cid lost his ship there, which is the reason he helped

Dravanian Knights? Can't remember so I'm guessing he auto attacked like a random npc while I nuked everything to oblivion.

Last I checked we received plenty of donations for our recent endeavors. saving the world and stuff

Yeah he was nice to allow us to stay in his home, I'll give him that. Still be the bomb if we actually had to survive in the wilds of Ishgard to survive, that'd be awesome X)

I never need saving, specially from fat birds. We took on Bismarck and screwed them all over (which cutscene was that btw? I really don't remember us being in any immediate danger in Heavensward)

He chose to fight, makes him a nice guy but never did anything noticeable aside from Alphy who pulls out a onyx carbuncle every once in a while (special little...)

That light beam to my back most likely wouldn't of killed me if I can take just about anything to the face and or back

Like good ol' Dante X)

Though he died for me, its valiant yes but it was unneeded so he's pretty cool now that I think about it more. Though I don't really care for him much still. As much as I haaaaatteeee Alphy sometimes, he either comes to help, making amends to the stupid yet honest mistake he made or help in battle as much as possible. Minfilia who I didn't like too much gave her life to save Hydalynn which is like, awesome sauce (or something like that...hmm...). But those are main characters so I guess they kinda had time to settle in my brain for a bit. Maybe Moenbryda? For as short of time I had with her, every moment was fun and she just kicked ass....and died. Even if she didn't die and went back to some far off island I'd still remember her just for kicking butt.

So yeah, everything else was completely unnoticeable to me besides Lady Iceheart, maybe that one moment I helped feed those poor people in Foundation but that's about it, nothing sticks out, it kinda just blends in....sadly. I'd like to mention class quest characters but I'm sure some will never come back so there'd be no point. I don't hate Harry btw, I just don't think of him much. Like Quickthinx or w/e the little girl ones name is in the Alexander quest. I'm not going to remember much of her words or actions because it just melds in with the rest of it. Shame the music doesn't do it justice but that's just to me. Well now I'm rambling lol, take all of it as you will.

[Ashkendor]

If I recall I think we needed permission to enter certain areas of Coerthas because Cid lost his ship there, which is the reason he helped

Right, but he didn't have to. He could've written off the WoL like all of the other Ishgardians did - an outsider.

That light beam to my back most likely wouldn't of killed me if I can take just about anything to the face and or back

Your genre savvy is showing. Yeah we know that on a meta level we basically have plot armor +5, but if you look at the spear of light and what it does in Thordan EX (it inflicts an infirmity debuff that makes you literally unable to heal whoever is hit with it until it wears off) it's actually pretty plausible that Zephirin could have killed the WoL with that attack had Haurchefant not intervened.

[Kurogaea]

Right, but he didn't have to. He could've written off the WoL like all of the other Ishgardians did - an outsider.



Your genre savvy is showing. Yeah we know that on a meta level we basically have plot armor +5, but if you look at the spear of light and what it does in Thordan EX (it inflicts an infirmity debuff that makes you literally unable to heal whoever is hit with it until it wears off) it's actually pretty plausible that Zephirin could have killed the WoL with that attack had Haurchefant not intervened.

I know he didn't have too, but he did anyway. Though I needed to go save the world anyhow so I'm sure there would be a work around at some point. He's still cool, I'm just saying things were never against our odds in those times not even if he refused.

Genre savvy? I don't take particular interest in genres to understand them to a T but thanks for the "compliment"? Maybe cheezy horror films but that's different. Anyways I wasn't talking about plot armor but the over abundance of things that should've killed us doesn't. If your mentioning Thordan EX I suppose it'd be fair to refer to T9 which we took a MegaFlare pointblank and survived it. The thing that began the new era when we got teleported back in time or whatever. I think thats more threatning imo honestly but it's hard to determine what will or not be considered a threat to the WoL. At this point, we've taken on just about anything alone or with someone. Estinien who had the shield thing when we were fighting Nidhogg, he kinda saved us since If I got hit with Nidhogs blast or w/e I would faint, and warp back to my particular spot. Its just hard to tell when we need saving. If I was going to be injured for a few seconds because of the light arrow, ehhh It still feels like he wasted his life taking an arrow for me. Plot armor +5 or not, WoL is pretty broken.

[Ashkendor]

In one sense, Haurchefant jumping in the way and taking the hit for us was our plot armor in action.

Indeed. I didn't think of it that way but it definitely fits. :3

Genre savvy?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenreSavvy

Anyways I wasn't talking about plot armor but the over abundance of things that should've killed us doesn't. If your mentioning Thordan EX I suppose it'd be fair to refer to T9 which we took a MegaFlare pointblank and survived it. The thing that began the new era when we got teleported back in time or whatever

That looked more like Teraflare actually; we didn't see that till T13, but we technically didn't have physical form in T13 I don't think? The whole going inside Bahamut's crystal heart to defeat him thing was cool but makes that a bit confusing.

If I was going to be injured for a few seconds because of the light arrow, ehhh It still feels like he wasted his life taking an arrow for me. Plot armor +5 or not, WoL is pretty broken.

Er. Have you done Thordan EX and seen what a massive amount of damage the Spear does if it's not soaked correctly?

[Berethos]

Last I checked we received plenty of donations for our recent endeavors. saving the world and stuff

Most of them haven't been as closed off as Ishgard was - they were the guys you didn't call when you needed backup and expect them to show up, because generally they were only concerned about Isghardian affairs, and from that alone it's a different situation.

That being said, it's also not really Haurchefant's thing anyway - the supplies being sent was part of developing relations that was spear headed more by Aymeric, partially to build positive relations outside of Ishgard but also as a bargaining chip for having them watch over Midgardsormr's remains due to the concern over the call going out to the Dravinian Horde. It was pretty much a political you scatch my back, I'll scratch yours situation, with the negotiations largely in favor of the Ishgardians.

Haurchefant was involved in making sure the supplies made it to Revenant's Toll, and I'm sure he did so gladly, but it's not the same as the other things on the list.

Yeah we know that on a meta level we basically have plot armor +5

In one sense, Haurchefant jumping in the way and taking the hit for us was our plot armor in action.

[Lunaxia]

That being said, it's also not really Haurchefant's thing anyway - the supplies being sent was part of developing relations that was spear headed more by Aymeric, partially to build positive relations outside of Ishgard but also as a bargaining chip for having them watch over Midgardsormr's remains due to the concern over the call going out to the Dravinian Horde. It was pretty much a political you scatch my back, I'll scratch yours situation, with the negotiations largely in favor of the Ishgardians.

Haurchefant was involved in making sure the supplies made it to Revenant's Toll, and I'm sure he did so gladly, but it's not the same as the other things on the list.

I may be wrong since I don't remember the specifics of each scene, but I believe it was Haurchefant/ House Fortemps who took the initiative in sending supplies to RT. Then when the heretics waylaid the caravans and Ishgard starting calling for restrictions on the sending of aid to Mor Dhona, Aymeric stepped in to assure they would continue in exchange for our surveillance of Middy.