[DEV Request] Patch 3.3 Can we please keep more dungeons in Expert Roulette?

[Thayos]

the first boss was a wall where actually you was forced to leave the whole dps on the boss to the tank only!

The way I always dealt with this was to tell the DPS in my parties to never DPS boss while adds were out; in addition, as tank, I'd turn my back to the boss until adds were dead. Worked like a charm.

But yeah, the Siren boss at the end had some more interesting mechanics than the vast majority of dungeons nowadays. The last two bosses in the new Ampador dungeon are just... laughable. The final boss' big move is to... cure himself a little bit. ???? What's the point even?

[Schark]

I know this is entirely anecdotal but perception is reality and all that. Level 60 roulette has way more dungeons in it than expert, yet I'll be damned if I don't get more variety out of expert from day to day. The consistency at which I get Aetherochemical Whateveritscalled is both staggering and frustrating. I'd understand if I got a newbie bonus with it but I don't think I ever have... maybe once.

[Lemuria]

Can it even be considered a roulette with only two choices? It's more like a coin flip at this point.

[RiceisNice]

I'm sure someone would complain about disproportionate rewards/difficulty, though I guess you could see an ilvl cap on each dungeon to compensate for that.

Nothing would be disproportionate if all the dungeons in the relative roulette were relative to each other. The way it is now, there is nothing "expert" about the two dungeons. If expert entailed the level 60 dungeons, but kept it at say, min-ilvl, it'd be a proper challenge with appropriate rewards.

The last two bosses in the new Ampador dungeon are just... laughable. The final boss' big move is to... cure himself a little bit. ???? What's the point even?

The undertuning of mechanics are also what bothers me. Even to put it in perspective, cure III on that boss only heals them for about 3% if it actually goes off...mind you that this boss already has less hp than a typical boss to offset the fact they have 2 raises.

[Welsper59]

Can it even be considered a roulette with only two choices? It's more like a coin flip at this point.

Technically, any time you flip the coin, the concept of it being roulette is accurate too since it's a game of chance. Other than it being one outcome or none at all, a roulette concept could be any number. For visual folks out there (like myself), just think of a circle, have a line divide it in two, then spin it like you would a roulette wheel. It's just more appealing to us to think of it having a lot of potential outcomes, like a traditional roulette (i.e. Russian Roulette) lol.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

I think they should add A8S into all the roullettes to spice things up. You could get a faceroll dungeon........ OR a8s

[CoolCat]

With i230+ summoner in those former expert dungeons, it should be possible to burn the whole dungeons in 15 seconds while the SMN is drinking some goddamn tea.

Yea this is most likely the reason why it won't happen.

[Duelle]

Nothing would be disproportionate if all the dungeons in the relative roulette were relative to each other.

I'm talking about specific dungeon "level". Neverreap is not on the same level as Antitower, for example. If we were to unify the roulettes, you'd be getting the same reward for Neverreap as you would for Antitower. So you'd have i230 players plowing Neverreap into the ground if they get that via roulette while they'd do Antitower at the expected pace The reward could still be 35 Lore + some esoteric tomes, but because of the way both dungeons are tuned it'd make the reward feel disproportionate.

This is why I mentioned one way to do it is to enforce ilevel caps if they were to unify the roulettes. Set the DF algorythm to take player ilevel while measuring it against the required ilevel for dungeons and go from there.

The last two bosses in the new Ampador dungeon are just... laughable. The final boss' big move is to... cure himself a little bit. ???? What's the point even?

That's likely to hammer on the fact that Amdapor is all about that white magic, yo. Specially that last boss seems like a not-so-subtle preview of what WHMs might be getting going into 4.0. If they don't get Reverse at the very least, I'll be honestly surprised...even if it throws my Mystic suggestion out the window. :/

[Antanias]

Why not keep the level 60 roulette as is and have the 3.3 dungeons join the 3.2 dungeons for expert roulette? Then have the 3.2 dungeons move to 60 while 3.4 dungeons takes its place so that there are 4 dungeons in the ex roulette as of 3.3

[Ozz]

....or the dev team could give us back our 3 new dungeons each patch. this was never an issue when we had the 3.