[DEV Request] Patch 3.3 Can we please keep more dungeons in Expert Roulette?

[Duelle]

Or they could just replace "Expert Roulette" with "Level 60 Roulette" entirely. Problem solved. Instead of burning yourself out on two specific dungeons, you'd have 6 or so in your roulette. It would be a really simple change that would reduce burnout significantly.

I'm sure someone would complain about disproportionate rewards/difficulty, though I guess you could see an ilvl cap on each dungeon to compensate for that.

[RiceisNice]

I'm sure someone would complain about disproportionate rewards/difficulty, though I guess you could see an ilvl cap on each dungeon to compensate for that.

Nothing would be disproportionate if all the dungeons in the relative roulette were relative to each other. The way it is now, there is nothing "expert" about the two dungeons. If expert entailed the level 60 dungeons, but kept it at say, min-ilvl, it'd be a proper challenge with appropriate rewards.

The last two bosses in the new Ampador dungeon are just... laughable. The final boss' big move is to... cure himself a little bit. ???? What's the point even?

The undertuning of mechanics are also what bothers me. Even to put it in perspective, cure III on that boss only heals them for about 3% if it actually goes off...mind you that this boss already has less hp than a typical boss to offset the fact they have 2 raises.

[Duelle]

Nothing would be disproportionate if all the dungeons in the relative roulette were relative to each other.

I'm talking about specific dungeon "level". Neverreap is not on the same level as Antitower, for example. If we were to unify the roulettes, you'd be getting the same reward for Neverreap as you would for Antitower. So you'd have i230 players plowing Neverreap into the ground if they get that via roulette while they'd do Antitower at the expected pace The reward could still be 35 Lore + some esoteric tomes, but because of the way both dungeons are tuned it'd make the reward feel disproportionate.

This is why I mentioned one way to do it is to enforce ilevel caps if they were to unify the roulettes. Set the DF algorythm to take player ilevel while measuring it against the required ilevel for dungeons and go from there.

The last two bosses in the new Ampador dungeon are just... laughable. The final boss' big move is to... cure himself a little bit. ???? What's the point even?

That's likely to hammer on the fact that Amdapor is all about that white magic, yo. Specially that last boss seems like a not-so-subtle preview of what WHMs might be getting going into 4.0. If they don't get Reverse at the very least, I'll be honestly surprised...even if it throws my Mystic suggestion out the window. :/

[RiceisNice]

I'm talking about specific dungeon "level". Neverreap is not on the same level as Antitower, for example. If we were to unify the roulettes, you'd be getting the same reward for Neverreap as you would for Antitower. So you'd have i230 players plowing Neverreap into the ground if they get that via roulette while they'd do Antitower at the expected pace The reward could still be 35 Lore + some esoteric tomes, but because of the way both dungeons are tuned it'd make the reward feel disproportionate.
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That's why you keep it to the minimum ilvl specific to teh dungeon. Neverreap at minimum ilvl wouldn't be necessarily easier or harder than antitower at minimum ilvl