Tank Etiquette Between Tanks in Raids

[Jpec07]

I witnessed a very sad thing yesterday in WoD. We got to Cloud of Darkness and the two Paladins in the other alliances basically shuffled their feet and stared at each other so the Warrior in my party pulled. The Warrior ended up dying and the boss then switched to me. I was not a paladin, though. I was a monk. There's no way in hell a monk should be higher on threat than a paladin in level 50 content even if the paladin is in sword oath. All you can do is spam rage of halone! I have no idea what those chuckleheads were doing, but hitting the boss couldn't have been very high on their priority list.

*reads*

Uhh...huh.

*rereads*

...were they just auto-attacking and Stoneskinning? Maybe? Waiting for the cloud adds? Trying to be the ones to soak meteors? I just...

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...and why tf didn't they provoke when Mr. Warriorpants died?

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...oh crap, WoD is part of the next step of the HW relic. I'll need to dust off my 40-second 'splainin' macros (that I haven't had to use since I farmed the Demon fending set on my DRK). This is going to be fuuuun. 8|

[chidarake]

Rather than your method, I propose leaving provoke to the event the MT actually dies. Not before, to avoid coming across as a douche for provoking unnecessarily off the MT. ^^; As a tank you won't have any problem being the 2nd on the enmity list anyway, which you can also easily see by paying attention to the little bar on your job icon in the party list. Just in case anyone didn't know this.

just pointing out a method personally i dont use it cus normally i mt in 24 man. and if i aint mt i assume everything will be fine and blindly dps instead

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Am I the only one that finds dark knight to Damn fragile for a main tank spot? It's way more nerve wracking than paladin or Warrior.

[Ebonwings]

I only mt if people pass the tanking to me or when I'm a bit pissed if tanks don't know how to tank a certain boss xD The rest I'll just put up Sword Oath and pretend to work hard xD

[Gameplayzero]

Am I the only one that finds dark knight to Damn fragile for a main tank spot? It's way more nerve wracking than paladin or Warrior.

its because some people choose the class because they think its "cool" rather than actually knowing the basics of tanking. This was the worst when heavensward first came out and I did haukke manor with a dark asking what "grit" was and us wiping on the first pull........

He literally took his armor he got from the job quest, queued for the nearest dungeon, and didn't know anything about his job. He told us this too.

[Koenignovi]

Agreed that if you are the first tank with aggro, you should be MT for it. Honestly, if you are tanking with others in the same raid, be it 8 or 24man, you should speak up and just call it. Otherwise it's assumed you are an OT.

Fighting over aggro and such is childish and just gets messy... both mechanically and verbally.

[Ebonwings]

I recommend playing as PLD or WAR first before going DRK xD cuz DRK's rotation is based on the two basic tanks. I love DRK as ot since most of it's skills are dmg dealing. The only case that I think DRK should go mt is when we face a magical damaged bosses.

[SpiritMuse]

As a tank you won't have any problem being the 2nd on the enmity list anyway, which you can also easily see by paying attention to the little bar on your job icon in the party list. Just in case anyone didn't know this.

In 8-mans, yes. In 24-mans, not so much. You can't see the enmity of the people in the other parties so it's a guessing game as to where exactly you are on the 24-man aggro list.

[FallenWings]

I personally despise the very concept of an OT role.

Being an OT is like doing half of the job you signed up for. It is absolutely buttocks! Which is often why I will always MT wherever possible and with the ability to Unchained+Berserk, I'm quite confident no one will try and wrest it off me.

And if they provoke after I get pacified... Well I guess I did them a favour with a huge boost in aggro. Lousy Provoke Skill.

So I suppose tanks fighting for aggro could be somewhat of a similar mentality of disdain for the OT role.

Also on a positive note, hearing a lot of these bad tank stories usually indicates that they're new players in the role... And that's kind of a good thing since it means people are trying out and possibly taking interest in the role. Every role will have it's bad apples, but the ones that are genuinely trying to learn, I will absolutely welcome with open arms. More bad tank stories usually = More tank players!

Although I find it strange that there are DRKs that like being OT.... Huh.

[John_Henry]

Basically for me the "Tank Etiquette" is : (in content where don't know the other tank)

If you are a paladin you mt.
If there two paladin fight to death to be the Main tank. Because even if you talk to them there paladin si they expect to always Mt.

Youre a warrior/dark knight ? enjoy the Off tanking and dps