Why are we doing Expert Roulette for the game's best gear?

[Aethaeryn]

Yet she has spent lore on hellfire tanking gear (4-5 weeks worth it looks like) but still.runs gordias gear with it as well.

Yup. Some people like to gear up more than one thing at once even though this game punishes you for wanting to actually take advantage of the armory system. :P Regardless, her lack of midas gear is irrelevant to the topic. A raider might comment on how you don't have any savage gear yet, but it has nothing to do with concerns over the progression system in this game either. A quick glance at the last couple of pages of GD threads shows that she's not alone in that concern either.

There are many possibilities for more interesting progression than having either raids or tomestone farming. I would love to see 4-man content that is more difficult than dungeons but not quite on savage level. Unfortunately, they couldn't keep up with 3 expert dungeons at the current patch pace, so I'm not holding my breath for a variety of content either. And please don't mention Diadem. >_> I hope they improve it, but it's so bad in its current form.

[Isala]

Expert Roulettes? That's a funny way of spelling The Feast. No, seriously. I don't think I've run more than 2 Expert Roulettes with the new dungeons. And that was only because FC members dragged me into them.

[Eul]

I even cap it with 2 days expert roulette and seal rock.

[Confidence_Trick]

I don't have the skill to do any of the more serious content. Daily roulettes are the only place I can feel meaningful.

[Whiteroom]

Yup. Some people like to gear up more than one thing at once even though this game punishes you for wanting to actually take advantage of the armory system. :P Regardless, her lack of midas gear is irrelevant to the topic. A raider might comment on how you don't have any savage gear yet, but it has nothing to do with concerns over the progression system in this game either. A quick glance at the last couple of pages of GD threads shows that she's not alone in that concern either.

There are many possibilities for more interesting progression than having either raids or tomestone farming. I would love to see 4-man content that is more difficult than dungeons but not quite on savage level. Unfortunately, they couldn't keep up with 3 expert dungeons at the current patch pace, so I'm not holding my breath for a variety of content either. And please don't mention Diadem. >_> I hope they improve it, but it's so bad in its current form.

It matters because she referanced running alex in her post and also getting kicked from groups due to lack of gear. Also.I am well aware that multiple classes/roles.can be geared at once, I currently have tank/heals/nin geared. Plus she stated she had only been leveling roles and doing daily ex roulette, but she has made other false statements and exagerations in this thread.

Sure someone could make comments about my lack of savage gear, but that would probably make more sense if I were the one not only making false claims about it's value, but how to get it... she is the one doing that, and complaining that she was able to gear up a role while leveling at that.

She is also using min ilvl as some kind of criteria for tomes dropping, as if thats valid, yet ignores it for all the other roulettes. Her arguement is all over the road.

I can agree that the tome system is a pretty lame treadmill, however it does have a reason for being there, and using falsehoods and half truths to whine about it is just well, whiny and lame. If what she said was the truth, she would have a valid argument, but it is all half-truths. Whats funny is ther is already valid arguements for making the new dungeons more difficult and about the flaws of the tome system, yet she had to make up a bunch of stuff and manipulate words to make a whiny thread about it.

Note: Midas and crafted gear is also entirely relevent to the thread since she has excluded the actual best gear, instead terming some of the "better" tier of gear as being the best. Midas, Crafted, Sephirot, and Relic are all avanues to this "better" gear. As soon as you take out that Daily Ex is far and away from being the only way to get tome gear, all of what she says falls flat. Also add it that you need Savage to upgrade the tome gear and well...

[Synrin]

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Unfortunately this, instead of being a constructive thread with suggestions, turned out to be a whine thread. Of course the progression can be tweaked and worked on, but so far no one has given any elaborate ideas.

[CGMidlander]

Unfortunately this, instead of being a constructive thread with suggestions, turned out to be a whine thread. Of course the progression can be tweaked and worked on, but so far no one has given any elaborate ideas.

In the end, whatever ideas there may be will basically boil down to:
1) Do stuff to get currency
2) Use currency to get stuff

or

1) Do stuff to get stuff

The tough question here is "What kind of stuff can the devs add for us to do that people won't tire of?"
It's the freaking Holy Grail of game design. lol

[odintius]

I use to try to cap my time every week I don't bother now if I get 240 during the week so be it. I do normal Alexander get my 220 gear is were I get most of my tomes. Whenever I do get enough I'll upgrade, but it isn't really required for current content besides savage if you're in a good static.

[Synrin]

In the end, whatever ideas there may be will basically boil down to:
1) Do stuff to get currency
2) Use currency to get stuff

or

1) Do stuff to get stuff

The tough question here is "What kind of stuff can the devs add for us to do that people won't tire of?"
It's the freaking Holy Grail of game design. lol

The devs can never please everyone. If they change any of the ways of obtaining gear, someone will be pissed.
And with the addition of new content, be it dungeons or whatever, people will be complaining. Like now they are complaining that the new dungeons were way too easy. And I agree.
People should just sit back and enjoy the ride this game has to offer. If you find it too bumpy for you, get off. It's simple.

[AnaviAnael]

Yup. Some people like to gear up more than one thing at once even though this game punishes you for wanting to actually take advantage of the armory system. :P Regardless, her lack of midas gear is irrelevant to the topic. A raider might comment on how you don't have any savage gear yet, but it has nothing to do with concerns over the progression system in this game either. A quick glance at the last couple of pages of GD threads shows that she's not alone in that concern either.

Snips for limit.

How can you clear Midas as many times as she has and NOT have anything to show for it on your main? I get people want to gear other jobs, but your main comes first.