Why are we doing Expert Roulette for the game's best gear?

[Whiteroom]

But she has the achievement for clearing A8 normal 10 times almost a month ago, so maybe it's best not to judge someone's experience based on the job currently shown on lodestone. I don't have any midas NM gear on my tanks either. She might have chosen to use those tokens on other jobs, being that she has everything at 60, or maybe she quit running it beyond A8 after failing to win a token 30 times in a row. Not everyone has friends or gil for the crafted stuff either.

Yet she has spent lore on hellfire tanking gear (4-5 weeks worth it looks like) but still.runs gordias gear with it as well.

[Aethaeryn]

Yet she has spent lore on hellfire tanking gear (4-5 weeks worth it looks like) but still.runs gordias gear with it as well.

Yup. Some people like to gear up more than one thing at once even though this game punishes you for wanting to actually take advantage of the armory system. :P Regardless, her lack of midas gear is irrelevant to the topic. A raider might comment on how you don't have any savage gear yet, but it has nothing to do with concerns over the progression system in this game either. A quick glance at the last couple of pages of GD threads shows that she's not alone in that concern either.

There are many possibilities for more interesting progression than having either raids or tomestone farming. I would love to see 4-man content that is more difficult than dungeons but not quite on savage level. Unfortunately, they couldn't keep up with 3 expert dungeons at the current patch pace, so I'm not holding my breath for a variety of content either. And please don't mention Diadem. >_> I hope they improve it, but it's so bad in its current form.

[Whiteroom]

Yup. Some people like to gear up more than one thing at once even though this game punishes you for wanting to actually take advantage of the armory system. :P Regardless, her lack of midas gear is irrelevant to the topic. A raider might comment on how you don't have any savage gear yet, but it has nothing to do with concerns over the progression system in this game either. A quick glance at the last couple of pages of GD threads shows that she's not alone in that concern either.

There are many possibilities for more interesting progression than having either raids or tomestone farming. I would love to see 4-man content that is more difficult than dungeons but not quite on savage level. Unfortunately, they couldn't keep up with 3 expert dungeons at the current patch pace, so I'm not holding my breath for a variety of content either. And please don't mention Diadem. >_> I hope they improve it, but it's so bad in its current form.

It matters because she referanced running alex in her post and also getting kicked from groups due to lack of gear. Also.I am well aware that multiple classes/roles.can be geared at once, I currently have tank/heals/nin geared. Plus she stated she had only been leveling roles and doing daily ex roulette, but she has made other false statements and exagerations in this thread.

Sure someone could make comments about my lack of savage gear, but that would probably make more sense if I were the one not only making false claims about it's value, but how to get it... she is the one doing that, and complaining that she was able to gear up a role while leveling at that.

She is also using min ilvl as some kind of criteria for tomes dropping, as if thats valid, yet ignores it for all the other roulettes. Her arguement is all over the road.

I can agree that the tome system is a pretty lame treadmill, however it does have a reason for being there, and using falsehoods and half truths to whine about it is just well, whiny and lame. If what she said was the truth, she would have a valid argument, but it is all half-truths. Whats funny is ther is already valid arguements for making the new dungeons more difficult and about the flaws of the tome system, yet she had to make up a bunch of stuff and manipulate words to make a whiny thread about it.

Note: Midas and crafted gear is also entirely relevent to the thread since she has excluded the actual best gear, instead terming some of the "better" tier of gear as being the best. Midas, Crafted, Sephirot, and Relic are all avanues to this "better" gear. As soon as you take out that Daily Ex is far and away from being the only way to get tome gear, all of what she says falls flat. Also add it that you need Savage to upgrade the tome gear and well...

[Synrin]

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Unfortunately this, instead of being a constructive thread with suggestions, turned out to be a whine thread. Of course the progression can be tweaked and worked on, but so far no one has given any elaborate ideas.

[CGMidlander]

Unfortunately this, instead of being a constructive thread with suggestions, turned out to be a whine thread. Of course the progression can be tweaked and worked on, but so far no one has given any elaborate ideas.

In the end, whatever ideas there may be will basically boil down to:
1) Do stuff to get currency
2) Use currency to get stuff

or

1) Do stuff to get stuff

The tough question here is "What kind of stuff can the devs add for us to do that people won't tire of?"
It's the freaking Holy Grail of game design. lol

[Synrin]

In the end, whatever ideas there may be will basically boil down to:
1) Do stuff to get currency
2) Use currency to get stuff

or

1) Do stuff to get stuff

The tough question here is "What kind of stuff can the devs add for us to do that people won't tire of?"
It's the freaking Holy Grail of game design. lol

The devs can never please everyone. If they change any of the ways of obtaining gear, someone will be pissed.
And with the addition of new content, be it dungeons or whatever, people will be complaining. Like now they are complaining that the new dungeons were way too easy. And I agree.
People should just sit back and enjoy the ride this game has to offer. If you find it too bumpy for you, get off. It's simple.

[Whiteroom]

In the end, whatever ideas there may be will basically boil down to:
1) Do stuff to get currency
2) Use currency to get stuff

or

1) Do stuff to get stuff

The tough question here is "What kind of stuff can the devs add for us to do that people won't tire of?"
It's the freaking Holy Grail of game design. lol

^ this.

I see the need to have tools there to keep us in older content (tomes/relic) but I do feel they could make it better. I also feel that they overuse thse sometimes, or use them as a crutch.


Other than that I would love to see some sort of a Relic Armor questline with the difficulty of the initial Relic quest, but for each piece, and different for each class, like a grand story questline. But that would require a huge, huge amount of resources.

[Aethaeryn]

Unfortunately this, instead of being a constructive thread with suggestions, turned out to be a whine thread. Of course the progression can be tweaked and worked on, but so far no one has given any elaborate ideas.

You can leave feedback without suggestions or have an opinion and not be whining. I'm guessing she's not a game developer full of creative ideas that would likely be ignored anyway. There are tons of other threads with suggestions, though. I guess she could have posted there instead of creating a thread, but not having suggestions for improvement does not make feedback irrelevant. We're consumers paying for a product, not developers.

How can you clear Midas as many times as she has and NOT have anything to show for it on your main? I get people want to gear other jobs, but your main comes first.

Why? If you aren't running savage, you don't need to have the best gear right away. She shouldn't be getting kicked for wearing a couple of 190 pieces unless she's also playing poorly too. For one of my characters, I spend lore tomes on my tank and midas tokens on my other jobs. If you don't run midas for whatever reason (for example, no patience for losing roll 30 times on one token), you can use esoterics, but you also need esoterics for relic tokens or astral oils. It's kind of annoying how many things are locked behind the previous tier's currency.

[Whiteroom]

You can leave feedback without suggestions or have an opinion and not be whining. I'm guessing she's not a game developer full of creative ideas that would likely be ignored anyway. There are tons of other threads with suggestions, though. I guess she could have posted there instead of creating a thread, but not having suggestions for improvement does not make feedback irrelevant. We're consumers paying for a product, not developers.



Why? If you aren't running savage, you don't need to have the best gear right away. She shouldn't be getting kicked for wearing a couple of 190 pieces unless she's also playing poorly too. For one of my characters, I spend lore tomes on my tank and midas tokens on my other jobs. If you don't run midas for whatever reason (for example, no patience for losing roll 30 times on one token), you can use esoterics, but you also need esoterics for relic tokens or astral oils. It's kind of annoying how many things are locked behind the previous tier's currency.

It's whining because not only did she make up criteria about the quality, criteria, and availability of the weapons, but she made the choice to limit her time to only being able to run DREX. That's not feedback, it's some kind of odd, entitled whining.

Proper feedback is constructive, not a bunch of falsehoods and half truths propping up whining.

I do agree that most groups shouldn't or wouldn't kick for the gear she has on her tank, with the execptions of some Seph EX or Savage groups, so I was working on the assumption that it was a combination of that and player skill. Other than that, maybe her static, but if you are part of a static and prioritize leveling everything over gearing their main, well thats a deserved kick.

[Aethaeryn]

It's whining because not only did she make up criteria about the quality, criteria, and availability of the weapons, but she made the choice to limit her time to only being able to run DREX. That's not feedback, it's some kind of odd, entitled whining.

Other than that, maybe her static...

She addressed the other content and said it's a slower way of accumulating the same currency, which is true. Not everyone wants to spam The Feast. I can't stand pvp in this game at all. None of the other roulettes give anywhere near as much lore as expert roulette. She said doesn't do statics, so obviously savage becomes difficult there. I dunno about Jenova, but the only PFs I see related to savage on Hyperion lately are fill-ins for current groups. I haven't seen an A5S learning party in weeks. It's definitely not like 2.x where you could clear every coil turn through PF, but I guess it could be like that again in a few months.

So what were the falsehoods? Some pieces of lore gear are best even if you do savage raid. I don't really understand the hostility I guess. It's totally possible to disagree without looking up someone's lodestone and attacking her gear. :/

Edit: Right after I wrote this, an A6S learning group went in PF lol. That just sounds painful, though.