Anima Weapons. Putting things into perspective.

[Berethos]

Time wise, you can pretty easily have the 210 well within that. And given that you have had what, about 14 weeks to complete it....

I realize the effort is greater for the relic, but really, you wer given far more than enough time to pick it up casually. I really don't think the Relic quest is for you, if you don't like it, you don't do it. However you must want the bebefits that come with it, just not the cost of those benefits... that's really al there is to it.

I would have thought you'd have picked up on it by now, but I'm guessing paying attention to what I'm actually saying isn't in your list of things to do.

I do like the relic quest...hell, I absolutely agreed with the given difficulty of the whole thing when it was first introduced, based on the reasoning behind it.
However, I also take umbrage with the idea that, now that the original situation that led to that difficulty has changed, that it is still somehow still appropriately designed based on the current situation. It can't be both the appropriate design when the highest ilevel was 210, and the appropriate difficulty now that higher is available that is easier to get than the 210 was.

I'd recommend actually understanding my stance on the whole thing before you throw around the whole "don't like it don't do it" tripe.

You can have the Anima faster than 7 weeks

True, but how quickly one can be obtained wasn't really my point, which was that the combination of the time and effort needed for a Lore 230 is different than the time and effort for even just the relic 210, much less the relic 230, and that I'd be surprised if anyone truly considered running 1 boss once a week for seven weeks, and buying a total of 1k lore worth of items during that time, to be of comparable effort to the entire process of getting a 230 anima.

[Namida-Hikari]

In my opinion, crafted items should be removed. There is no reason to keep it. Every time they add things like this, they said "Is to make people colaborate with the community!" Yeah, sure. I see how... more than 5,000,000 gil if you want have it. I even ask for people and tell them I have the mats, and even with that, they asked for ridiculous amounts of gil. Even if you have all the crafters, is easy fail the craf and lost the materials (which also are really expensive). Sorry devs, but the "colaboration" does not exist in this game (not in western zones). Jut let us farm it on dugenons, trials or whatever with tomes or any other token, that's enough colaboration, and things that ALL people can do.

Once again S.E. designed the thing for japan player... Not for selfish others :/
The relic is made for "casual players"? Well, paying 5.000.000 gils to craft a weapon is not what i can call a casual thing

[Jim_Berry]

Well for me the Monk relic is better then Lore, i cant do savage atm so the relic for my monk is the better option now i dont have monk lv 60 so i got ages to do it and honestly A1 and A2 are easy, just spend beast tribe tokens on A3 and A4 The only road block for me is the hefty 6 million i need for all 16 crafted items.

Yeah, no Savage for me, either, so I'm headed for Anima.

[ScarletDawn]

Once again S.E. designed the thing for japan player... Not for selfish others :/
The relic is made for "casual players"? Well, paying 5.000.000 gils to craft a weapon is not what i can call a casual thing

Finally someone who understands that 5mil gil, is by no means casual, sure i can gather the items my self and ask to craft but you need very good crafters to make the items.

[Whiteroom]

I would have thought you'd have picked up on it by now, but I'm guessing paying attention to what I'm actually saying isn't in your list of things to do.

I do like the relic quest...hell, I absolutely agreed with the given difficulty of the whole thing when it was first introduced, based on the reasoning behind it.
However, I also take umbrage with the idea that, now that the original situation that led to that difficulty has changed, that it is still somehow still appropriately designed based on the current situation. It can't be both the appropriate design when the highest ilevel was 210, and the appropriate difficulty now that higher is available that is easier to get than the 210 was.

I'd recommend actually understanding my stance on the whole thing before you throw around the whole "don't like it don't do it" tripe.



True, but how quickly one can be obtained wasn't really my point, which was that the combination of the time and effort needed for a Lore 230 is different than the time and effort for even just the relic 210, much less the relic 230, and that I'd be surprised if anyone truly considered running 1 boss once a week for seven weeks, and buying a total of 1k lore worth of items during that time, to be of comparable effort to the entire process of getting a 230 anima.

I understand what you are saying, but no, it does not need to be eased now. It needs and will be eased when the next step comes out. You are asking for it to be eased for a quick ride through to a 230 weapon, since the 210-230 step is incredibly easy. The previous step is the only barrier to this. I'm sure you know that on some level, but are willfully ignoring it.

The relic is not a one time weapon like a tome weapon, It is an alternative with benefits, those benefits require putting in the effort to get it. Currently the benefit of the 230 is well worth doing the 210 step to get. If you really enjoyed the relic quest, you could have easily completed it multiple times over by now, and would understand that the 210 step is nowhere near as daunting as it looks. It's actually easy to get passively, so it currently needs no nerf.

That you have not gotten past the Awoken stage since December shows how little you actually enjoy it, you could have bought all of your UI's just by playing the game casually by now. The longer you take to do it, the less concerted effort you need, and with the time elapsed, almost none is needed. You have not completed that, and want the easy path. That will come in 3.3. But the 3.3 step itself will likely be another one you have to try to complete, so I imagine you will feel the same in 3.35 when the 3.3 step is not nerfed.

You keep refering to the what they used to set the original difficulty of the quest as some argument to when it should be nerfed. (people always do this here, they make a ton of assumptions based on what they can twist whats been said to mean, then get angry when they are wrong)All they said was that was the parameters used to determine starting difficulty, not the criteria for changing it. That they seem to have fallen into a difficult step-easy step-difficult step-easy step is enough to assume that they will always keep one barrier in the way, so that they aren't making it too meaningless to get one.

But you haven't even bothered to upgrade anything other than two of your acc from 200-210, when you get one free per week. That just shows how much you are willing to put into upkeeping your ilvl. If you can't be bothered to run VA once a week, or hunts, or even your weekly Centrino B rank, thn you cant be expected to understand the relic grind, or barriers keeping people from getting gear too easily.

If that is the effort you want to put in, the tome weapon is your price point.

[Warlyx]

You can have the Anima faster than 7 weeks

yep but the time wasted doing anima is time not doing FUN THINGS INGAME with the time u can play.... my playtime is limited ,i play 2h- 4 days / week raiding , and some hour here and there , that i use to do DR expert , farming mats , MB , leveling jobs , with the ESO im buying the UNI items , but is slow as hell....i farmed tribes but omg cant stand it anymore .... and i remember in 2.0 farming the relic made me almost quit the game , i decided to stop doing relic for a while because it was draining all the fun i was having back then...

anima is lots of time...doing things u dont even want to do....add gil to the mix...and no way im doing that.... Lore weapon? 1000 lore and 15 min doing A8 normal for 8 weeks..... not even comparable....

i guess lots of ppl forced themselves to do the relic/anima and lots for sure quited the game because of it , but i guess the anima keep subs going on too...

[vigioX-Sun]

Im not an english speaker so i hope i got this right-but i do feel this is been nerf for some time alrdy.
1-Items are not specialist lock anymore so the price should be drop by ton on the mb,if not get yourself some friends,,any crafter friend will give you a hand im 100% sure, just give him the food an a tip
2-before there were only 1 beast tribe universal for all bones,now we have 2,do your beast tribe every day you get experience an token,
3-dont buy eso gear,be smart the 200 ilv gear is old alrdy invest the stones in items instead
4-do all rulettes including Front line thats about 1 item a day( you are DPS no problem put PF up for tank or healer almost instant Q). not counting poetics stones.
5-do hunting board an use the points to buy items from the old stones(lets be real eso stones are more common)

[vigioX-Sun]

6-stop complaining here instead get in game an invest the time in alexander or running dungeons
7-Please consider that there are ppl who did all the hard steps an did use all the gil when things were expensive ,if they nerf that now all you could gain is putting ppl mentality to not do content when is out bcuz is gonna be nerf in next patch,that is not good., i understand a nerf once we get a real grind,but the grind for the 230 is a joke.

[Whiteroom]

Im not an english speaker so i hope i got this right-but i do feel this is been nerf for some time alrdy.
1-Items are not specialist lock anymore so the price should be drop by ton on the mb,if not get yourself some friends,,any crafter friend will give you a hand im 100% sure, just give him the food an a tip
2-before there were only 1 beast tribe universal for all bones,now we have 2,do your beast tribe every day you get experience an token,
3-dont buy eso gear,be smart the 200 ilv gear is old alrdy invest the stones in items instead
4-do all rulettes including Front line thats about 1 item a day( you are DPS no problem put PF up for tank or healer almost instant Q). not counting poetics stones.
5-do hunting board an use the points to buy items from the old stones(lets be real eso stones are more common)

Good points, it's just not nerfed "enough" for some people. It never is. In reality, no body with a good understanding thought they would nerf the step now, just those who wanted it enough to believe it would happen. And now those people are salty, since they see the next step was well worth completing the 210 step.

[Tussin]

still why even bother? i can get my i210 lore weapon easier and expend less time and resources and if i want a better weapon, i can raid and spend a little more time and resources and get something better or equal to the i230 weapon in a shorter span of time

its only glamor, meh i'll wait for nerfs, my time is valuable, pixels are not.