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[Hinoto-no-Ryuji]

Honestly, this whole conquer and oppress thing that Garleamald has going for it started out as them trying to put a lock down on the summoning of primals. So in essence they were trying to save hydaelyn.

It didn't though. This is a common misconception - Garlemald's conquest has nothing to do with the Primals, other than that the Primals are in the way. Their entire opposition to them is that Othard summoned theirs when Garlemald tried to invade, it cost Garlemald dearly, and Garlemald would really rather avoid similar losses in taking Eorzea. That suppressing Primals is pretty good for Hydaelyn is completely coincidental.

[Frederick22]

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Totaly agreed with you Hinoto!
Honeslty the garlemand empire looks more like the nazis than romans.
It was the allagans who looked more like romans.

[CyrusArjuna]

Totaly agreed with you Hinoto!
Honeslty the garlemand empire looks more like the nazis than romans.
It was the allagans who looked more like romans.

Eh, that kinda falls flat when you realize that the Allagans took the peoples indigenous to Meracydia, forced them to summon their Primals, then trapped them and their gods in stasis for thousands of years just as a battery.

And as for the summoning in Othard...we have no information about that event other than the fact that it happened. And it obviously happened before the events of 1.0 (or could be retconned to be so). For all we know, their tactic of brainwashing conquered people might have been devised as a Primal countermeasure after huge losses sustained in Othard. The Garlean Empire might have been more pragmatic before the threat of Primals was made evident to them.

[Frederick22]

Eh, that kinda falls flat when you realize that the Allagans took the peoples indigenous to Meracydia, forced them to summon their Primals, then trapped them and their gods in stasis for thousands of years just as a battery.

And as for the summoning in Othard...we have no information about that event other than the fact that it happened. And it obviously happened before the events of 1.0 (or could be retconned to be so). For all we know, their tactic of brainwashing conquered people might have been devised as a Primal countermeasure after huge losses sustained in Othard. The Garlean Empire might have been more pragmatic before the threat of Primals was made evident to them.

Not exacly.

Roman was the biggest empire that ever exited and that lasted most than anyone. They were the most advanced civilisation of those times. In culture, military power and economy. They had no rival that could matched.
Infact despite we are now really much more advanced, it is said that when Rome falled, a lot of the informacion they had was destroyed, so in some small way there was a "regresion". We dont know how it would be if we had recover all, ethier we know if we re-discover it withouth knowing.

So yea, the Allagans look more like the Romans than the Garleans on my opinion.

There's Varis' quote from the encounter in the Sea of Clouds.......

Ok, so your entire point of Garleans are good and they are doing this for the sake of Hydaelyn is based on a vague talk that Varis said?
Varis an emperor and dictator.. yes sure

[Morningstar1337]

Ok, so your entire point of Garleans are good and they are doing this for the sake of Hydaelyn is based on a vague talk that Varis said?
Varis an emperor and dictator.. yes sure

I'm pretty sure he held that viewpoint long before that point in the story.

[Frederick22]

I'm pretty sure he held that viewpoint long before that point in the story.

when? If I remeber right, it is the first time Varis said something like that.

Who else? Gaius? He was alone. The emperor did not share his point of views.

[Theodric]

Gaius wished to 'save' Eorzea. Varis is more concerned with Hydaelyn as a whole. Both were/are prepared to go to great lengths to ensure that their plans come to fruition - and let's be honest here, if they succeeded it's very likely that the Primal/Eikon threat would lessen considerably. That they resort to extreme measures does not necessarily mean they are evil. At this point we can only speculate as to Garlemald's overall motives since a lot of stuff is still shrouded in mystery. I do not feel it is unfair to give them the benefit of the doubt regarding their morality when we're dealing with a setting that goes to great lengths to paint many antagonists as morally complex rather than irredeemably evil.

Which is why we really should just agree to disagree, I suppose.

[Lauront]

when? If I remeber right, it is the first time Varis said something like that.

Who else? Gaius? He was alone. The emperor did not share his point of views.

It's also the first time Varis said much at all.

None of it is a direct parallel, though I actually quite like the "Allag as Rome" comparison.

Great, as long as we recognise that it also leaves no reasons to care one whit about the Ala Mhigans or Ala Mhigo. Perhaps SE could present more reasons to be sympathetic with them, much like they could with Garlemald. We're already working with the very questionable city-state of Ul'dah.

As for the Garlean motives, wanting the Primals vanquished for the threat they posed to their conquest does not preclude wanting them obliterated for the broader threat they pose, which is pretty much the viewpoint Varis is expressing. So I'd say there is some evidence of such a strain of thinking within the Empire.

BTW, who is this Fern? A SE developer/designer?