Mouseover Macros

[Nyalia]

Mouseover macros work if you mouse your cursor over top of the actual player as well.

Yes, but why would you? The three panels mentioned are better in every way. I can't see any advantages to clicking on the actual player for those. For other mouse-over macros, sure, there are advantages. Especially for, say, Aether Manip, Cover, and maybe Eye for an Eye. But healing? I just don't see why you would...

[Kaurie]

Yes, but why would you? The three panels mentioned are better in every way. I can't see any advantages to clicking on the actual player for those. For other mouse-over macros, sure, there are advantages. Especially for, say, Aether Manip, Cover, and maybe Eye for an Eye. But healing? I just don't see why you would...

I wouldn't want to do it that way, it does it automatically. If you add a mouseover macro, it works on players and on the party menu. I just don't use the mouse over macro. There are not multiple mouse over (that I am aware of) just , /ac "physick" <mo>

Again with mouse over macro, you are not "clicking on the player" you are mousing your macro over top of them. This includes if they walk into your cursor

[Nyalia]

I wouldn't want to do it that way, it does it automatically. If you add a mouseover macro, it works on players and on the party menu. I just don't use the mouse over macro. There are not multiple mouse over (that I am aware of) just , /ac "physick" <mo>

Again with mouse over macro, you are not "clicking on the player" you are mousing your macro over top of them. This includes if they walk into your cursor

I don't understand what you mean. As the other person stated, players cannot walk into your cursor if your cursor is over the party list, the targetoftarget list, or the threat list. If you are using the macro on one of these panels, you have full control over who you select irregardless of other player actions. You control when you press a button, don't you? It's not like the macro just goes off while you're moving your cursor around the screen...

[Kaurie]

I don't understand what you mean. As the other person stated, players cannot walk into your cursor if your cursor is over the party list, the targetoftarget list, or the threat list. If you are using the macro on one of these panels, you have full control over who you select irregardless of other player actions. You control when you press a button, don't you? It's not like the macro just goes off while you're moving your cursor around the screen...

I mean, if you make a mouse over macro it works in multiple ways.

If your mouse is over their name in the party menu, you will heal them without having to click on them or their name - allowing you to maintain another target.
AND
If your mouse is over their player character, you will heal them without having to click on them or their name - allowing you to maintain another target.

So if I set a macro,

/ac "physick" <mo>
/ac "physick" <t>

and I have selected the tank and am healing them accordingly, but all of a sudden a BLM walks into my cursor which is sitting over on the right, I'll now be healing the BLM instead of the tank.

[Nyalia]

So if I set a macro,

/ac "physick" <mo>
/ac "physick" <t>

Sure, but why would you do that? Why have a macro that does both forms of healing? That's just asking for trouble, imo... I guess some people have limited input issues? With an MMO mouse like mine, I can click one of my 15 mouse buttons while the mouse is over a target to execute a mouse-over macro, and that flexibility goes up when you consider shift/ctrl modifiers. I generally put mouse-over macros on my mouse buttons, and targeted commands on the number and F keys. I'd never even think of combining those into a single command for exactly the reasons you stated...

[Kaurie]

I guess I don't see the point of a mouse over macro if you don't haev both on there? The advantage, that I understand, is that I can have my tank focused and quickly hover my mouse over a DPS to heal them and remove it to continue healing the tank.

Either way, I've tried mouse over macros a couple of times and they've always made me perform much worse, so I don't use em. Great if the work well for you =)

I suppose if my mouse had more buttons it would work - but I have exhausted all my button options. I use CTRL/Shift on my 2 extra mouse buttons to augment my 1-6, z-b, q, e, ~

EDIT: Have been thinking more on it - and I suppose if I can find one unused button, it would be nice to have a mouseover macro attached. I just don't think I have any buttons left.

[Nyalia]

I suppose if my mouse had more buttons it would work - but I have exhausted all my button options.

I guess I'm just used to having infinite buttons. I have six toolbars per class set up, and four that aren't per-class for manual clicking common actions. I can reasonably access 2/3rds of the six toolbars via buttons. I could set the rest to easier-to-press things, but I don't really have a need to. I have like, three different buttons for Benediction - a mouseover mouse button, a targeted keyboard button, and a targeted mouse button so I can hit whatever's convenient.

All of my classes that can use E4E have it set to the same mouse button on a mouse-over macro so I can hit the tank as they go past for a pull. Those classes also have Virus set to the same mouse button on a mouse-over macro, but with shift held down. They're both things I want to be able to do to targets other than my selected target or focus target, and if I hit the wrong one on a target, nothing happens. I guess I could macro those together to a single button, but then I wouldn't get to see the CD.

[Kaurie]

I guess I'm just used to having infinite buttons. I have six toolbars per class set up, and four that aren't per-class for manual clicking common actions. I can reasonably access 2/3rds of the six toolbars via buttons. I could set the rest to easier-to-press things, but I don't really have a need to. I have like, three different buttons for Benediction - a mouseover mouse button, a targeted keyboard button, and a targeted mouse button so I can hit whatever's convenient.
All of my classes that can use E4E have it set to the same mouse button on a mouse-over macro so I can hit the tank as they go past for a pull. Those classes also have Virus set to the same mouse button on a mouse-over macro, but with shift held down. They're both things I want to be able to do to targets other than my selected target or focus target, and if I hit the wrong one on a target, nothing happens. I guess I could macro those together to a single button, but then I wouldn't get to see the CD.

Yeah, I have a decent set up using Shift/CTRL on my mouse - unfortunately, 2 of the 4 extra mouse buttons stopped working some months back Damn you Logitech!!

As mentioned, I use Shift/CTRL 1-6, z-b, q, e, ~ and F. I suppose I could make a mouseover heal macro on 7, but that is awkward to hit and I'm not sure if the convenience of mouseover would offset the awkwardness of 7.

I do a similar thing where I put the same sort of skills in the same location (i.e. swiftcast in the same spot for SMN, SCH, WHM, BLM). I also generally put spells on 1-6, abilities on shift 1-6, AoE on ~/shift ~. With healers I put my DPS spells on CTRL 1-6 due to heals on regular 1-6. etc. etc.

[Nyalia]

I also generally put spells on 1-6, abilities on shift 1-6, AoE on ~/shift ~. With healers I put my DPS spells on CTRL 1-6 due to heals on regular 1-6. etc. etc.

7 for me is a great place to put things I don't generally need, but sometimes want, like Stoneskin for PLD. I don't use it enough to justify putting it in an easier to reach spot, but I need to be able to hit it reasonably easily when I do need it. For non-healers, I generally put spells and weaponskills on 1-7/f1-5/shift1-4, abilities on my mouse 1-12 keys (it has a numpad for your thumb), mouseover macros on the scrollwheel button (and shift+that button and ctrl+that button), and mode changes on the two buttons next to my scroll wheel. I don't usually want many mouseovers for non-healing. For healing, I have more mouseovers on the mouse, which pushes a few abilities to my keyboard instead to make room for them.

For healers, I generally put my single target attack on 4 and my DoTs on 5, 6, and 7. If things aren't tense, I don't need the keys to be super convenient, and if things ARE tense, I'm not going to be DPSing. I save all the easy to reach keys for various forms of heals. I personally don't like having common DPS skills on shift buttons because I like being able to kill easy things with a single finger - it takes less effort and attention, and I can have my hand in any position, where holding shift requires curling my pinky in a way that's not super comfortable.

Anyway, I'm getting off topic here! Sorry ^^;

[Tashim]

I have mouseover heal macros on hotbar slots that are keybound to button 4 and button 5 on my mouse, so I can just click those on nameplates, or over people directly to heal without changing targets.