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  1. #11
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    WeekendSoja's Avatar
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    Luku Asura
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    Communication doesn't happen any differently between using macros.
    #truth, ability queue is literally just a client scripted, /ac Embrace <t> x3

    Nothing's stopping you from pushing your macro 3 times or making a "pseudo-macro" as someone pointed out. In a healers case, especially a main raid healer who's duty is to keep the MT alive, dps macros like /ac "aero III" <tt> is quite effective...though most players don't even know what the <tt> command even does lol...that little macro would totally change the world for healers who are anti-dps...especially since for them it's hard to target the boss than back onto the MT...<tt> solves all their problems.
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  2. #12
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    giantslayer's Avatar
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    Colette Pascal
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    Brynhildr
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by DarthVella View Post
    I macro a bunch of abilities just for that utility - Embrace and Lustrate on Scholar, Draw on Astrologian, and every variation on Esuna. Also Goad on Rogue, for that matter.

    Macros are not always the evil Whatever-Per-Second loss that they are made out to be. If you use them for utility rather than automation, they can prove invaluable.
    Most of my SCH abilities are on macros and I agree they are incredibly useful if you do them right, but Lustrate is the one ability I would never ever macro. That is the one ability I need to be able to hit as quickly as humanly possible in a "oh s---" moment and have it work reliably. The thing with using macros is it requires a certain degree of disciplined timing, which is fine on most things, but not on your "oh s---" button.
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  3. #13
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    EnaChleo's Avatar
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    Ena Chleo
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 60
    It's pretty much just the delay between actions, you will almost never get it as fast as the client-side queue, it's a bit like dark souls ability queueing, it's not as simple as mashing it 9000x a second, that can get you closer pseudo-queueing, I use one for flaming arrow on bard, but you will notice it if you macro say, ninjutsu keys, the fast smooth flow is suddenly staggered, again, you can do it that way, the client is just already designed for it

    So long as it's not causing wipes, really not that bad, but just be aware of the limitations macros can have, at times they save me time (Eye for an Eye on T and TT, Virus too) but when I heal I generally want that heal to hit a specific time, if not as soon as possible, galvanize has this nasty delay to it too, the sooner it's on the better (Most of the time)

    Again, just be aware of the limitations, they can both help and hurt, there's a good reason why it's GENERALLY frowned upon, it's probably overblown a bit, just the next time someone dies (For whatever reason, goofing mechanics, etc) examine your play, see if that heal hitting a LITTLE earlier would've saved them, the biggest decisions you make often will go unnoticed or happen in a split second, if clicking them was really that deciding factor or not
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  4. #14
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    Chaosgrimm Winsock
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    Adamantoise
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Healing macros are fine. It will impact your max hps, but hps checks in this game are pretty low.

    I'd avoid macroing dps skills though.
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  5. #15
    Player Kaurie's Avatar
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    Kaurie Lorhart
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    Leviathan
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    Summoner Lv 80
    Personally, I dislike mouse over macros. I've found that on occassion i heal the wrong person, because someone happens to walk where my cursor is sitting. This is on top of the obvious inability to skill queue macros.
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  6. #16
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    Personally, I dislike mouse over macros. I've found that on occassion i heal the wrong person, because someone happens to walk where my cursor is sitting. This is on top of the obvious inability to skill queue macros.
    The three places you should mouseover are the party list, the focus target, and, for out-of-party tanks, the targetoftarget. These panels are all stationary and on top of the world, so there is no risk of someone moving and changing your mouseover, unless the targetoftarget changes (but presumably that person had his own healer and you were just helping out). If there's a mismouseover, it'll be because you had your mouse over the wrong person in the party list, which is something within your own control.
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  7. #17
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    Nicodemus Mercy
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    Midgardsormr
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    Sage Lv 100
    Personally I macro all my cast time dps spells on my scholar with the pet command to cast embrace on my target's target. That way no matter what dps spell I am casting (love to spam buttons) my fairy is casting embrace on cooldown and not waiting for people to get sub 60%. I tried doing this with my instant casts as well but it felt like their was a few millisecond delay with those that I don't experience with the cast time spells.

    For heals I have all as mouseover macros. It improves my response time dramatically. In addition my macros include the pet command to cast embrace on my mouseover target as well. The same is done for Leeches whoever I am cleansing gets healed too.

    The response time gains from these macros allow me to more efficiently heal and swap to dps and back when possible without causing deaths among my party members. I have not noticed any queuing issues or delays with this setup.
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    Last edited by Nicodemus_Mercy; 03-31-2016 at 11:39 AM.

  8. #18
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    DarthVella's Avatar
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    S'zendaril Tia
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    Excalibur
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    Scholar Lv 96
    Quote Originally Posted by giantslayer View Post
    Lustrate is the one ability I would never ever macro... it requires a certain degree of disciplined timing, which is fine on most things, but not on your "oh s---" button.
    Au contraire, I macro'd Lustrate precisely so I could use it quickly. Whatever works for you, of course; but my cursor is already firmly glued to the party list so I can drop Leeches/spam Embrace without needing to switch targets, and Lustrate is a natural extension of that. The only issue I get regularly is the target being out of range.
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  9. #19
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    Stormageddon Oath
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    Brynhildr
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Ive tried it but now I intentionally don't use macros as a healer. The inability to queue up skills was just too much of a hinderance for me—obviously you can make it work and there's the benefit of hotbar space, but I found I'd need a lot of attention on my CDs, which just drew my eyes away from all the other details such as spotting a DRG standing in an AoE, or a mechanic that I needed to be wary of, etc etc.

    I feel like mouse over macros are probably more sensible (I'm PS4), but using macros solely for combining skills will just limit the player. Also, while I originally wanted to use macros to save space, I found that not having access to every skill individually would limit me as as a player, so my swiftcast>Rez macro didn't save me a spot since I needed Swiftcast on my crossbar separately anyways.

    I still use a Rez macro just for the novelty of being able to post a message in chat, but every time I do I can clearly see how much attention it's requiring from me compared to standard use of skills. I target the player, wait for my GCD to complete, hit the macro so it can activate and then I STARE at his buffs until he gets the raise. Switching targets before the second macro'd skill activates on your target is a common healer issue.
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  10. #20
    Player Kaurie's Avatar
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    Kaurie Lorhart
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    Leviathan
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    Summoner Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    The three places you should mouseover are the party list, the focus target, and, for out-of-party tanks, the targetoftarget. These panels are all stationary and on top of the world, so there is no risk of someone moving and changing your mouseover, unless the targetoftarget changes (but presumably that person had his own healer and you were just helping out). If there's a mismouseover, it'll be because you had your mouse over the wrong person in the party list, which is something within your own control.
    Mouseover macros work if you mouse your cursor over top of the actual player as well.
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