MCH PVP Nerfs!? Really!?

[Houston009]

The class is actually great and desirable in an event, and you're going to nerf it!? Where was this eagerness in Seal Rock on WAR/SMN.... this is ridiculous. The class is just fine, if you're looking to nerf DPS classes then you should be looking at the meta of DRG/MNK or even WAR's out put for a tank. Picking on the MCH when he's finally in the spotlight is garbage.

Warrior damage has already been nerfed by roughly 30%, the only reason why you see Warriors out put so much damage is because they are largely ignored. NIN is getting buffed to be on par with DRG/MNK (hopefully). Close range penalty negation only made MCH's over the top burst, even stronger.

[Lilith_Merquise]

Warrior damage has already been nerfed by roughly 30%, the only reason why you see Warriors out put so much damage is because they are largely ignored. NIN is getting buffed to be on par with DRG/MNK (hopefully). Close range penalty negation only made MCH's over the top burst, even stronger.

when was that 30% nerf? Not saying it's not true, but I must of missed that. And idk dude, I still get hit by a fell cleave and it's damn near half my HP. And I agree, NIN could us a bit of Love even though they have some gap closers and what not. They should be able to invis mid fight to utilize their abilities, and range DPS would have to use the detector ability more often. Idk, if they removed the negation I would be fine with that because frankly it didn't do much anyway. But to nerf any of its abilities (except maybe wild fire) would be just down right rage inducing for me personally.

[fm_fenrir]

when was that 30% nerf?

The VIT change in 3.2 also changed the damage calculation, so you end up doing about 30% less damage than you did in 3.15. It's uniform across all three tanks, 30% less even in DPS stance.

[Lilith_Merquise]

The VIT change in 3.2 also changed the damage calculation, so you end up doing about 30% less damage than you did in 3.15. It's uniform across all three tanks, 30% less even in DPS stance.

Really? God I hope that's not what he was refering to, that's not even a 30% difference, more like 10%, and even then, WAR has the highest base HP in the game, so that isn't even remotely a "Nerf" That's putting bubble wrap around a knife and saying it kills people less. Sure you can't cut em, but you can definitely still stab em.

@Myon88 Agreed, if it's something light like that, I would be fine with it, as long as it doesn't effect the kit over all, PVP perks, alright tweek em. But if they pull a "SMN Style" Castration of MCH, I'm just going to lose it.

[fm_fenrir]

Really? God I hope that's not what he was refering to, that's not even a 30% difference, more like 10%, and even then, WAR has the highest base HP in the game, so that isn't even remotely a "Nerf" That's putting bubble wrap around a knife and saying it kills people less. Sure you can't cut em, but you can definitely still stab em.

The reason you feel it's less is because WAR has the best burst potential, so you die slightly slower than you used to if an Infuriated Berserk WAR blasts you with back to back FCs while Holmganging you in place (but you will still die). If you look at the average, WAR is still 30% lower than it used to be in 3.15, including burst phases.

WAR doesn't have the highest base HP in Deliverance, either; they only have more HP in Defiance, which takes Fell Cleave off the table and forces them to use Inner Beast (or sacrifice that HP cushion to switch back to Deliverance).

[Cabalabob]

WAR doesn't have the highest base HP in Deliverance, either; they only have more HP in Defiance, which takes Fell Cleave off the table and forces them to use Inner Beast (or sacrifice that HP cushion to switch back to Deliverance).

Just want to say this isn't true, if you get your WAR, DRK and PLD all to the same ilvl with the same VIT attributes so all their VITs are the same number WAR actually has more hp than the other two even without tank stance. It's only a difference of about 150hp, but it is there.

DRK + PLD i222, 1226 VIT: 23,784hp
WAR i222, 1226 VIT: 23,914hp

[Houston009]

Really? God I hope that's not what he was refering to, that's not even a 30% difference, more like 10%, and even then, WAR has the highest base HP in the game, so that isn't even remotely a "Nerf" That's putting bubble wrap around a knife and saying it kills people less. Sure you can't cut em, but you can definitely still stab em.

@Myon88 Agreed, if it's something light like that, I would be fine with it, as long as it doesn't effect the kit over all, PVP perks, alright tweek em. But if they pull a "SMN Style" Castration of MCH, I'm just going to lose it.

Let's see. 15-20% damage lost from VIT changes alone, on top of Tanks losing the additional damage they gained in pvp, which was 10%.