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    Quote Originally Posted by Niwashi View Post
    But that "no cutscene skipping" option doesn't do anything. Knahli's suggestion essentially comes down to an enforceable version of it, where if you go in saying there will be no cutscene skipping, then there will actually be no cutscene skipping. That's not the case now. Put up a "no cutscene skipping" PF and it will just be trolled by players doing their speedrun where they expect an extra tome bonus.
    Then they would be violating the agreement established prior to entering. So yes, it certainly does have a contract between party leader and member. Which is certainly punishable when violated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Niwashi View Post
    It's a good suggestion that would meet both groups' needs. You can go without that option set and get some slight tome reward for a speedrun.
    So a type of run that the average veteran player (the people you want to incentivize) would not be interested in running due to lack of reward, like "Battle on the big Bridge".

    Quote Originally Posted by Niwashi View Post
    Or you can go on a more time-consuming run with all the cutscenes in it and get a larger bonus. There would be plenty of people choosing each and everyone could get the version of the dungeon they want.
    Tomes per minute is the magic number. If it is in any way lower than what a player can do spamming (for a former example) Wanderer's Palace, then WP becomes the go-to place for everyone farming tomes. If it is much more? People will spam it as fast as they can.

    Quote Originally Posted by Niwashi View Post
    You seem to have missed the pivotal phrase of what you quoted, so I highlighted it. The extra bonus we have now is for everyone, regardless of how they complete the run. He's suggesting a bonus that would be specifically and exclusively for players willing to go for the slower version.
    I didn't miss it, I simply have witnessed the consequences in either situation. If you have a way to reward more tomes per hour than other content, it will be exploited and minimized for time. If it cannot compete with a more efficient option, it can ultimately undermine the player's access to willing-to-queue players. This suggestion will have the same end result that it had the last time they tried it. Which was- people spammed it even faster and even harder.

    Unless you have something new to contribute to this tired suggestion to make it better, it is doing the same old thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greedalox View Post
    16 pages of -
    "What about the new player?"
    "What about the 7 other players?"
    Yes, it keeps coming up. Unfortunately a few people feel more deserving than the people next to them.

    As has been said time and time again, even by devs, the majority decides the path forward in any party. Disruption of the majority's decision violates EULA.
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    Last edited by Duuude007; 03-23-2016 at 09:04 AM.