If You Were A Class/Job Designer...

[DWolfwood]

Doing a write up on my issues with DRK, but as for what I want them to be defined as...

PLD: Healing Magic / High Defense
WAR: High HP / Party Buffing (e.g. "Warcry" would boost party's AP by _% for _seconds.)
DRK: High DPS / Magic Based focusing around Drain Spells

PLD should receive an enmity boost to Clemency and allow shields to prevent interruption. WAR should stay mostly the same, with the addition of said "Warcry" ability. DRK is the one that would be greatly changed. I'll be talking more about it in my write up, but their DPS should be heavily buffed overall to stand out as the high-dps tank.

[Tanathya]

Doing a write up on my issues with DRK, but as for what I want them to be defined as...

PLD: Healing Magic / High Defense
WAR: High HP / Party Buffing (e.g. "Warcry" would boost party's AP by _% for _seconds.)
DRK: High DPS / Magic Based focusing around Drain Spells

PLD should receive an enmity boost to Clemency and allow shields to prevent interruption. WAR should stay mostly the same, with the addition of said "Warcry" ability. DRK is the one that would be greatly changed. I'll be talking more about it in my write up, but their DPS should be heavily buffed overall to stand out as the high-dps tank.

Considering Square knew there would be controversy revolving around the fact that they made DRK a tank, I still don't know why they didn't give it the offtank role based on a higher damage output.

[Syzygian]

Doing a write up on my issues with DRK

Please no, there are already so many.

No disrespect but I can already predict...

"Blood Weapon in Grit!"
"DA Dark Dance boost parry strength!"
"Use Reprisal as OT!"
"Reduce MP costs!"
"Make LD not require healing!"
"DA Dark Passenger does something other than blind!"
"More HP absorbs!"

Its a song and dance we all know by heart and yet when you actually go out there and play the job and play it right, none of this stuff *really* holds you back.

Considering Square knew there would be controversy revolving around the fact that they made DRK a tank

This reminds me...

Everyone here knows that Samurai, if we get it, is almost certainly not going to be a tank right?

[Eloah]

Doing a write up on my issues with DRK, but as for what I want them to be defined as...

PLD: Healing Magic / High Defense
WAR: High HP / Party Buffing (e.g. "Warcry" would boost party's AP by _% for _seconds.)
DRK: High DPS / Magic Based focusing around Drain Spells

PLD should receive an enmity boost to Clemency and allow shields to prevent interruption. WAR should stay mostly the same, with the addition of said "Warcry" ability. DRK is the one that would be greatly changed. I'll be talking more about it in my write up, but their DPS should be heavily buffed overall to stand out as the high-dps tank.

Warriors already have Warcry. The english Infuriate is actually Warcry in japanese. Why it was changed I don't know but, meh.

Also I havent read every post, but did this thread turn into a, "what's wrong with tanks and how to make them better" thread?

[Syzygian]

Well in spite of what were probably Spooky's best intentions this turned from a suggestion/adjustment discussion thread into a "Here's 3 totally different tanks that I would replace the 3 existing tanks with because SE should just quit, go home, and hire me to do the job instead! " thread.

I for one am pretty vexed by the amount of nostalgia-mongering that insists a job cannot ever outgrow its first 1 or 2 iterations in the FF series, and how many people refuse to appreciate the fresh creative takes on the classic jobs and their new incarnations in this game for what they are.

The line between tank and DPS is pretty blurry in single-player FFs. Its more like you have physical DDs and magic DDs and some of the physical DDs are a little bulkier and some of the magic DDs have healing magic. I mean tank is a decidedly MMO concept. How are they going to make tanks without pulling from some of the classic DD jobs? The whole thing is just really really petty.

[Eloah]

Well in spite of what were probably Spooky's best intentions this turned from a suggestion/adjustment discussion thread into a "Here's 3 totally different tanks that I would replace the 3 existing tanks with because SE should just quit, go home, and hire me to do the job instead! " thread.

I for one am pretty vexed by the amount of nostalgia-mongering that insists a job cannot ever outgrow its first 1 or 2 iterations in the FF series, and how many people refuse to appreciate the fresh creative takes on the classic jobs and their new incarnations in this game for what they are.

The line between tank and DPS is pretty blurry in single-player FFs. Its more like you have physical DDs and magic DDs and some of the physical DDs are a little bulkier and some of the magic DDs have healing magic. I mean tank is a decidedly MMO concept. How are they going to make tanks without pulling from some of the classic DD jobs? The whole thing is just really really petty.

I agree. I had to start tanking, kinda, for my roulettes, healer ques have jumped, why? And I mostly go as a DRK and I love it. Yeah I get the whole they traditionally use their HP for attacking, but I love that SE kept that feel but moved it to their MP; since a tank sacrificing their HP makes no sense. I think for the most part every tank is fine. I'm sure if I looked and played each one a lot, I would have ideas of what should change at the ready, but they feel okay to me. I personally want a magic tank. I made a mockup Geomancer tank that I think would fit into this game beautifully. It would be neat they would require MP management similar to DRK but they would have a fluid combo system and elemental shields that they use for both mitigation and offense. If anyone is interested feel free to check out the link in my signature. I really should update those classes/jobs to 60, lol.

[Zadocfish]

If I were a job designer... I would probably switch when PLD gets Cover and Shield Stance. Cover very rarely used or necessary; if you're holding aggro, you would only have an occasion to use Cover for bosses that target players regardless of enmity. Even then, it's not that great, since before lvl 50 bosses almost never one-shot DPS in those situations. Shield Stance, meanwhile, is a pivotal ability for PLD that makes dungeons and holding enmity very, very much easier.

[Tanathya]

Everyone here knows that Samurai, if we get it, is almost certainly not going to be a tank right?

I was stating a fact there. There's been (obvious) controversy whether you like it or not, and I didn't mention SAM in the first place. Anyway, I certainly hope SAM isn't a tank anymore.

[ArdorGrey]

Warriors already have Warcry. The english Infuriate is actually Warcry in japanese. Why it was changed I don't know but, meh.

Also I havent read every post, but did this thread turn into a, "what's wrong with tanks and how to make them better" thread?

literally every topic on this board sooner or later turns into "this is why I think pld/drk should be the best tank and war should be nerfed/indirectly nerfed in comparison to my preferred kewel tank". it's why I don't bother posting anymore. I have no clue why you're acting surprised that this topic has turned out any different.

[ArdorGrey]

Well in spite of what were probably Spooky's best intentions this turned from a suggestion/adjustment discussion thread into a "Here's 3 totally different tanks that I would replace the 3 existing tanks with because SE should just quit, go home, and hire me to do the job instead! " thread.

I for one am pretty vexed by the amount of nostalgia-mongering that insists a job cannot ever outgrow its first 1 or 2 iterations in the FF series, and how many people refuse to appreciate the fresh creative takes on the classic jobs and their new incarnations in this game for what they are.


The line between tank and DPS is pretty blurry in single-player FFs. Its more like you have physical DDs and magic DDs and some of the physical DDs are a little bulkier and some of the magic DDs have healing magic. I mean tank is a decidedly MMO concept. How are they going to make tanks without pulling from some of the classic DD jobs? The whole thing is just really really petty.

I feel like you have a lot of conflicting thoughts here. It sounds like you're basically saying they *should* make sam a tank. I think you're thinking strictly about drk. But you should consider the full weight of your words before committing to them. Or who knows maybe you're deliberately going back on your previous statement.

Sam will probably be a DD. It could still fit as either. I'm past the point of actively hoping it'll be a tank, I guess I do still hope that it's implemented alongside some sort of trait choice system that allows one flexibility in what exact role a job plays. it will also never stop annoying me to no end how Ravana foiled Shivas attack with an attack of his own if sam isn't a badass tank with some sort of ability like IB on steroids but with more mitigation and less health drain/damage.

It's also still worth noting that the first thing Yoshi p. ever said about drk when asked about it, was that he saw it as a dps splitting off from gld. That obviously didn't happen, at all. May not carry much weight after the mch thing, but it's still a thing.