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    Kyani Jawantal
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    I'm actually a little concerned that these changes make Scholar relatively worse, even if it's more playable - making it more difficult to pressure healers will push combat time upwards, but Scholar still won't come close to matching WHM for cast / mana efficiency over the whole match, and Astrologian offers a better version of their toolkit straight up.
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    Iagainsti Kilamanjiro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renault View Post
    Yeah god forbid someone wants the competitive PVP game mode to be...Oh...Competitive?
    Are we playing different game modes? Last time I checked Feast is pretty competitive, and all this change will do will make actual casters more competitive, and force non-casters to readjust their strat to handle the change. I think the meaning of "competitive" is realy being misinterpreted, and all this confirmation bias "this is a bad change, mmm-K" before it has even been implemented is hilarious in itself.

    A caster, and that's if they spec right side full vit, has what? Just shy of 12k hp in i150 sync? So the argument here is that attacks <1800 damage wont interrupt a cast is terribad. Now go back through every match you can recall where you actually try to do damage and that attack does less than 1500 damage. See the silliness now?
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    Last edited by Iagainsti; 03-17-2016 at 03:34 AM.

  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iagainsti View Post
    Are we playing different game modes? Last time I checked Feast is pretty competitive, and all this change will do will make actual casters more competitive, and force non-casters to readjust their strat to handle the change. I think the meaning of "competitive" is realy being misinterpreted, and all this confirmation bias "this is a bad change, mmm-K" before it has even been implemented is hilarious in itself.

    A caster, and that's if they spec right side full vit, has what? Just shy of 10k hp in i150 sync? So the argument here is that attacks <1500 damage wont interrupt a cast is terribad. Now go back through every match you can recall where you actually try to do damage and that attack does less than 1500 damage. See the silliness now?
    Full vit (including Fending, optionally including 47 bonus points) brings you to just under 13k, for a damage loss of about 15%. There's other good reasons to do this, outside of the increased casting threshold, and this just makes it a safer/better option for the classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyani View Post
    Full vit (including Fending, optionally including 47 bonus points) brings you to just under 13k, for a damage loss of about 15%. There's other good reasons to do this, outside of the increased casting threshold, and this just makes it a safer/better option for the classes.
    So an Attack just shy of 2k damage will interrupt a cast, that makes more sense than my Split Shots shutting a caster down while I wait for my procs to fill up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    I don't like the idea of delegating brd and mch to a poor mans Blm if they don't even have the capacity to harass casters anymore.
    This is the worry I have really. It was kinda of a brd/mch niche being able to easily harass casters and mostly keep them shut down that way. I think they should look into buffing the silence effect like giving it a longer duration or maybe some kind of lingering effect that lowers the damage threshold for cast interrupting. If that kind of effect is too much in the hands of pld and nin then they could always just tack it on to blunt arrow and head graze directly. I wouldn't mind a shift away from "keep caster/healer shut down the entire match" to "shut down the healer/caster at key points".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iagainsti View Post

    A caster, and that's if they spec right side full vit, has what? Just shy of 10k hp in i150 sync?
    Try 12k+.

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    Last edited by Koltik; 03-17-2016 at 03:32 AM.

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    Yeah boiiiii, anyone wanna keep talking smack now? This change will make average Mages competent, and really good ones are now gonna be broken OP. Sucks there is no way to buff BLM without making it OP
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    Everyone is crying cause they can't spam 2 buttons and deal with a BLM now, it's gonna take skill to shut them down.
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  9. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koltik View Post
    Try 12k+.

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    thanks...... revised yet irrelevant...... thank the twelve for Koltik or my estimate would've been short by 2k
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iagainsti View Post
    irrelevant
    Oh, okay. Like your posts?
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