Is dpsing and a healer becoming the standard norm!

[MeiUshu]

Then go on to say due to my experience clearly parsers should now be mandatory and that if you don't get a certain dps number then the game locks you out of stuff till you do.

Does that make sense? No of course not >.<.

isnt that already the case ? yeah it is, look at all the people using unwanted parsers that get rid of whoever is not meeting the DPS check ? yeah is already being done.

Making sense no, but is done on a daily basis though..not sure what your point is...so yeah some stuff in here is silly beyond words...but people do silly things reglularly especially when it comes to point fingers at othrs and their abilities of playing this game. Making sense ? no but is still a reality.

Bad design is to allow cleric stance altogether in a dungeon, cleric stance only if you are soloing stuff in open world out of dungeons or groups, yes then yes I would agree. But as long as cleric stance exists we will have exchange of views between people that regards healers dpsing as THE thing to do if not they deserve a kick, making sense ? no but is done regularly...yes?

This topic has been used re-used --spoken upside down backwards and forwards...point is ...we have cleric stance and healers can use, the *should they* is totally depending on THEM and not what others want them to do..in my opinion

[LaylaTsarra]

isnt that already the case ? yeah it is, look at all the people using unwanted parsers that get rid of whoever is not meeting the DPS check ? yeah is already being done.

Making sense no, but is done on a daily basis though..not sure what your point is...so yeah some stuff in here is silly beyond words...but people do silly things reglularly especially when it comes to point fingers at othrs and their abilities of playing this game. Making sense ? no but is still a reality.

Bad design is to allow cleric stance altogether in a dungeon, cleric stance only if you are soloing stuff in open world out of dungeons or groups, yes then yes I would agree. But as long as cleric stance exists we will have exchange of views between people that regards healers dpsing as THE thing to do if not they deserve a kick, making sense ? no but is done regularly...yes?

This topic has been used re-used --spoken upside down backwards and forwards...point is ...we have cleric stance and healers can use, the *should they* is totally depending on THEM and not what others want them to do..in my opinionBad design is to allow cleric stance altogether in a dungeon, cleric stance only if you are soloing stuff in open world out of dungeons or groups, yes then yes I would agree. But as long as cleric stance exists we will have exchange of views between people that regards healers dpsing as THE thing to do if not they deserve a kick, making sense ? no but is done regularly...yes?

This topic has been used re-used --spoken upside down backwards and forwards...point is ...we have cleric stance and healers can use, the *should they* is totally depending on THEM and not what others want them to do..in my opinion

Thank you so much for articulating this. So true.

[Odett]

isnt that already the case ? yeah it is, look at all the people using unwanted parsers that get rid of whoever is not meeting the DPS check ? yeah is already being done.

What's your solution, then? Disbanding the entire group because 1 person is vastly underperforming and the group keeps wiping because DPS checks aren't being met, or is it telling everyone else who's already carrying their weight to work harder and leave the underperformer alone? If a tank is not keeping agro and letting the boss run amok, or getting 1 shot by tank busters (something outside the healers' control), they get blamed by everyone. If a healer is constantly letting people die from forced damage, they get blamed as well, like they both should be. Tell me why it's ok to take away the only responsibility that a damage dealer has.

Now, about cleric stance, yes, the person has to be comfortable with it, but the context matters greatly. The new dungeons plainly do not require a lot of healing to be done. So when the healer just stands there doing absolutely nothing for 10+ seconds, it's nice of them to help out the group by not ignoring half their skillset. Standing there doing nothing for that long is lazy. Then there are SCH's in low level dungeons who set the tank to follow and watch TV or do something else for the whole dungeon run while not helping out. How is that OK?

Should healers be "required" to DPS? No, not exactly, but when the downtime between your heals is so big that you are just standing there with absolutely nothing to do, you SHOULD DPS, much like damage dealers in the group won't just auto-attack or use random skills because a dungeon has no DPS check and their DPS isn't "required", and any tank worth their salt won't spam their agro combo again and again while ignoring their utility combos.

[Campi]

What's your solution, then? Disbanding the entire group because 1 person is vastly underperforming and the group keeps wiping because DPS checks aren't being met, or is it telling everyone else who's already carrying their weight to work harder and leave the underperformer alone? If a tank is not keeping agro and letting the boss run amok, or getting 1 shot by tank busters (something outside the healers' control), they get blamed by everyone. If a healer is constantly letting people die from forced damage, they get blamed as well, like they both should be. Tell me why it's ok to take away the only responsibility that a damage dealer has.

Now, about cleric stance, yes, the person has to be comfortable with it, but the context matters greatly. The new dungeons plainly do not require a lot of healing to be done. So when the healer just stands there doing absolutely nothing for 10+ seconds, it's nice of them to help out the group by not ignoring half their skillset. Standing there doing nothing for that long is lazy. Then there are SCH's in low level dungeons who set the tank to follow and watch TV or do something else for the whole dungeon run while not helping out. How is that OK?

Should healers be "required" to DPS? No, not exactly, but when the downtime between your heals is so big that you are just standing there with absolutely nothing to do, you SHOULD DPS, much like damage dealers in the group won't just auto-attack or use random skills because a dungeon has no DPS check and their DPS isn't "required", and any tank worth their salt won't spam their agro combo again and again while ignoring their utility combos.

100% true
in the new dungeons and in many other dungeons, there is nothing to heal, so it's just lazy, when the healers do nothing in 90% of the time
it's unfair for the rest of the group

healer is the easiest job in this game..

[LadyVal]

healer is the easiest job in this game..

Have you ever healed a raid, or EX primal while it is the newest and most challenging content?

As a NIN all you do is DPS and dodge. I'll leave it at that.

[Campi]

Have you ever healed a raid, or EX primal while it is the newest and most challenging content?

As a NIN all you do is DPS and dodge. I'll leave it at that.

Yes I already healed a raid or EX primals
I played all 3 jobs and to play a tank or heal is much easier than playing a DPS class to its full potential while doing all mechanics

[Noxifer]

I played all 3 jobs and to play a tank or heal is much easier than playing a DPS class to its full potential while doing all mechanics :)

I find it slightly amusing that in addition to you thinking this, you've listed NIN as your primary class. So despite maining NIN (according to your forum profile, at least), you still find it easier to tank or heal. That's... actually saying something, doesn't it?

Then again, I main WAR, but if I'm having an off day, or if I'm forced to go into a duty without a healer I know... I prefer to heal ^^; Much less stressful, for me. (Mainly because I'm not comfortable leading, so being forced to judge how much I can pull when I have no clue as to the healer's opinion and ability... is stressful. So much easier to just go with what a tank wants. If it's a good tank, it'll leave me time to dps. If it's a bad/overconfident tank, I'll just throw in some MiasmaII and Shadowflare and focus on healing, while Selene helps speed up the damage :p )

[Campi]

I find it slightly amusing that in addition to you thinking this, you've listed NIN as your primary class. So despite maining NIN (according to your forum profile, at least), you still find it easier to tank or heal. That's... actually saying something, doesn't it?

I don't know what that says to you, but for me it's just my favorite class

Do you just play WAR because it's easy to play, or because it makes the most fun to play with it? ö.ö

[DeeColon]

Have you ever healed a raid, or EX primal while it is the newest and most challenging content?

As a NIN all you do is DPS and dodge. I'll leave it at that.

As a main healer on A7S enrage, yes healing is the easiest job in this game because it's pass or fail, the thing that adds any difficulty whatsoever is trying to maximize DPS while healing and that's what makes someone a good healer. It's sad that it being so easy to be "good enough" draws so many lazy players to the role. ><

Being a DPS and putting up GOOD numbers in real content is to me very difficult, and that seems to be the same to a very large chunk of the player base so I don't think it's just me.