Is dpsing and a healer becoming the standard norm!

[Adventica6]

Healers are already struggling with accuracy checks, they can hit a few times now if they actually meld +acc materia but I doubt that is the devs design choice for healers.

Just wait till next patch or something when you need 750+ acc to even land a basic spell, then this thread will dissapear as the healers will not be able to hit a single dungeon or raid mob even if they meld acc in every single materia slot.

Cleric stance was designed to help healers level, not to carry awful dps.

And imo, it should be removed while in a group because the healers job is meant to heal, and the tanks job is meant to tank, hence the changes to tank dmg, healers are next, do your job properly or play a dps.

Can't count how many times I've seen wipes in basic dungeons because the healer thought there 1k crits meant something, left cleric on, and wiped the group, bad design and it needs correcting immediately.

[AngelicSence]

Since the new patch hit, I am usually ~30%, (25-35 depending on the quality of the DPS I am paired with), in expert roulette.

Btw, this is so important here also.. This word "quality" plays important role in the game. WHM is the best AoE DPS job out of 3 healers, AST only has gravity, but can throw in some buffs. Sch has only DoT AoE, but single target DoT and weak single target damage. So all healers are different. You can combine any random tanker/healer/DPS and depends on how skilled those players are, we will see big difference in party speed. If everyone cared about each other and understood what they can do with their class and how to strategize their tactics.. There will be not a single complaint today.

[Ghishlain]

Without getting into the "Should healer's DPS debate" as I've made my post / position clear back on page 2... I just wanted to touch on this massive misconception:

Healers are already struggling with accuracy checks, they can hit a few times now if they actually meld +acc materia but I doubt that is the devs design choice for healers.

Just wait till next patch or something when you need 750+ acc to even land a basic spell, then this thread will dissapear as the healers will not be able to hit a single dungeon or raid mob even if they meld acc in every single materia slot.

You need approximately 460-470 Accuracy to hit current EXDR content. I get 444 just melding T4 accuracy in 10 out of the 18 guaranteed slots available to new i220+ Midas / Lore gear.

A4S required approximately 540 accuracy and A8S is estimated to be in the 600 accuracy range. 600 Accuracy is actually do able in i240 gear, full T5 Accuracy Melds, and Food. Thanks to Materia Melds, this has been the only time in the game where Healers can maintain ilvl cap and hit accuracy cap which is interesting to see.

Going by this trend we can probably expected 670 accuracy required to hit A12S. Still quite doable with two Penta Melded accessories with T4 accuracy on the overmeld slots.

And the accuracy issue (at this time) isn't as terrible as you think it is. Having an 80-85% hit rate in current EXDR is annoying at most and "not the end of the world". It is cause of concern for future content but not to the exaggerated degree of needing 750+ accuracy to hit stuff in casual content.

[Geula]

I can only speak as a low level schoolar and this is how I feel personally and it might differ from how people but dear [deity], Eos is such a healing machine that I can't imagine using it and not pretty much full time dpsing at levelling dungeons as long as the tank uses their cooldowns. I think I only had one instance where I had to stop dpsing because the tank pulled like 10 mobs in Brayflox which is of course something that you will have to heal. I don't usually watch what healers do and this is my first attempt at a healing class in any MMO but there is just so much downtime in need for healing that what could you possibly do in meantime? I actually get a bigger urge to dps as a healer than I do as a dps class. As long as everyone is avoiding the AoEs with tells a healer really doesn't have much to do from what I gather.

[Jatoi]

Since the new patch hit, I am usually ~30%, (25-35 depending on the quality of the DPS I am paired with), in expert roulette.

See? That's why I don't see why healer DPS is a bad thing. It's all about timing too and I've seen people who are against the concept and still, I can't understand why...

[Kaurie]

See? That's why I don't see why healer DPS is a bad thing. It's all about timing too and I've seen people who are against the concept and still, I can't understand why...

Indeed. In a 24 minute run, we are in combat for approximately 22.5 minutes of that, so let's say no matter what you have that 1.5 minutes + Combat time.

If I didn't DPS, then the time would be 1.5 + 22.5 x 1/0.7 = 33.6 minutes. That's pretty substantial.

[AngelicSence]

Can't count how many times I've seen wipes in basic dungeons because the healer thought there 1k crits meant something, left cleric on, and wiped the group, bad design and it needs correcting immediately.

I hate to burst your bubble, but your story is irrelevant. It's like black mages who screwed up his rotation and wasted all mana on flare then failed DPS check. SE encourage healers to perform damage when it's possible. They gave WHM Aero3 and Assize because they specialized in AoE damage and heal. SE also planning to add +15/+18 materials and something more unique. If you can read Japanese, SE already said that their current plan is to balance every jobs. 1st, remove STR from tankers, make accuracy higher = while providing material choice. Whatever it's next, it won't be a CS removal. Just give it some time and you will see.

[Andrea]

Can't count how many times I've seen wipes in basic dungeons because the healer thought there 1k crits meant something, left cleric on, and wiped the group, bad design and it needs correcting immediately.

This is a horrible way to back up a point. I could make a claim like:

"Can't count how many times I've seen a wipe because the DPS didn't know their rotations and caused us to wipe. Bad design needs correcting immediately"

Then go on to say due to my experience clearly parsers should now be mandatory and that if you don't get a certain dps number then the game locks you out of stuff till you do.

Does that make sense? No of course not >.<.

[MeiUshu]

Then go on to say due to my experience clearly parsers should now be mandatory and that if you don't get a certain dps number then the game locks you out of stuff till you do.

Does that make sense? No of course not >.<.

isnt that already the case ? yeah it is, look at all the people using unwanted parsers that get rid of whoever is not meeting the DPS check ? yeah is already being done.

Making sense no, but is done on a daily basis though..not sure what your point is...so yeah some stuff in here is silly beyond words...but people do silly things reglularly especially when it comes to point fingers at othrs and their abilities of playing this game. Making sense ? no but is still a reality.

Bad design is to allow cleric stance altogether in a dungeon, cleric stance only if you are soloing stuff in open world out of dungeons or groups, yes then yes I would agree. But as long as cleric stance exists we will have exchange of views between people that regards healers dpsing as THE thing to do if not they deserve a kick, making sense ? no but is done regularly...yes?

This topic has been used re-used --spoken upside down backwards and forwards...point is ...we have cleric stance and healers can use, the *should they* is totally depending on THEM and not what others want them to do..in my opinion

[Odstarva]

So what, healers should idle when there is nothing to heal?

Say what you will, but you're not doing your class any justice if you limit yourself to 4 or 5 skills out of 12.