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    A while back someone told me that I was basically saying that dps themselves doing extra dps is optional. Healers doing dps is optional, tanks doing high amounts of dps is optional. Let me just prove my point. You have a dungeon that requires 100 damage per second to clear it, minimum. Yet everyone entering the dungeon is easily capable of doing 600 damage per second. That extra 500 dps is absolutely wonderful to have but by no means required for a clear and therefore optional. Healer dps is by no means required for clearing 99% of content and is therefore optional. To say someone is bad for playing their class to the standards the game allows even if they are the minimum is stupid. If they are below the minimum they are bad. Anything meeting the minimum is acceptable. But people will never agree to this because of elitism and the fact that I am a filthy casual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheUltimateSeph View Post
    A while back someone told me that I was basically saying that dps themselves doing extra dps is optional. Healers doing dps is optional, tanks doing high amounts of dps is optional. Let me just prove my point. You have a dungeon that requires 100 damage per second to clear it, minimum. Yet everyone entering the dungeon is easily capable of doing 600 damage per second. That extra 500 dps is absolutely wonderful to have but by no means required for a clear and therefore optional. Healer dps is by no means required for clearing 99% of content and is therefore optional. To say someone is bad for playing their class to the standards the game allows even if they are the minimum is stupid. If they are below the minimum they are bad. Anything meeting the minimum is acceptable. But people will never agree to this because of elitism and the fact that I am a filthy casual.
    So... your point is that dps doing extra dps is optional?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MomomiMomi View Post
    So... your point is that dps doing extra dps is optional?
    My point is that if dps classes doing extra dps is optional it should go without saying that healers dpsing is optional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheUltimateSeph View Post
    My point is that if dps classes doing extra dps is optional it should go without saying that healers dpsing is optional.
    But it isn't optional. It's expected a dps do extra dps, if you're terrible you're likely to get kicked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MomomiMomi View Post
    So... your point is that dps doing extra dps is optional?
    No, he's saying that we shouldn't be expecting anyone to do anything outside of the base function of their job. This is all well and good, but definitely not the ideal way to play and not what the Devs had in mind when they designed all of the jobs.

    People are only "bad" if they have the ability to do something but willingly choose to do only the bare minimum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheUltimateSeph View Post
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    In a dungeon where a single cure/med 2 is enough to keep people healthy for a quarter of the fight, doing nothing but healing is a massive waste of time and an under utilisation of resources.

    I WHM'ed an LCoA HM and the only gcds I spent healing were regens. That's literally it. I spent the rest of the dungeon dealing as much damage as I could, I even oom'd twice. This is pure speculation but I'd imagine that made the run at least 30% faster than it would have been with me sitting there with my thumb up my arse throwing one cure every 30 seconds.
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