Is dpsing and a healer becoming the standard norm!

[Lexia]

Oh look this thread again, this one going to reach 30 pages of people arguing also?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

No no no just no. If tanks doing less damage is slowing down runs it does NOT fall to the healers to pick up the slack. The DPS need to step up their game if it's going that slow. Healer dps is not required and saying someone is a bad healer for not dpsing is just dumb.

But that's what it means to be a healer! Carrying all dps is their job, not like those DPS should learn to play or even try to get better! Honestly, healer DPS is nothing but a crutch groups use to cheese fights, since it's so much easier than calling out a bad DPS for not being able to do their job. Considering the tank nerf, I'm just waiting for SE to nerf cleric stance, somehow.

[Tanathya]

So allow me to elaborate on the title, a couple days ago In a normal run of the antitower I noticed the healer not healing the tank due to the tanks had high migration of damage from packs of mobs. So I was watching this and also noticed the healer staying in cleric stance longer and longer burning mp on trash mob, bosses etc but not healing the tank until like 3k hp left. Mind you the tank had 21,000 hp lol. Then the healer raged on the tank and told him/her to use buffs to migrate more damage

Contrary to popular belief, a tank's job is not to just hold the hate but to mitigate incoming damage as best as possible. So if any tank, or anyone for that matter tells you the tank is doing their job by just holding hate when they're getting hit like trucks due to them ignoring CD's, they're wrong and should be kicked out of the party.

[WinterLuna]

A good healer will always DPS as well as healing. That's what the skills are there for. However, the healer in your dungeon happened to be rude about it. Healers primary job is still to heal, and no healer should ever put DPS before healing.

[Lukha]

I don't know about normal, but I've been DPSing my heart out since my second or so run of Stone Vigil, when I realized I had MP and time between heals to spare as long as the tank was doing his job. I'm that daredevil healer who takes great satisfaction in maybe making the tank pee himself a little when he realizes he only has 300 HP left before rescuing him just in the nick of time XD.

If you're noticing it more lately, it's probably because with tanks actually wearing tank gear, even healers who maybe aren't as confident in their skills (or as cruel) as I am are finding that they have a lot of downtime to fill between heals. It gets really boring to play a class that spends 80% of their time standing around waiting for something to happen, so if you want to be good at and really enjoy the class, you find other things to do when your primary role isn't required. I assume the rest of them are just watching netflix in a second window :\.

I WILL say that the healer in the TC's run was being pretty rude, though. It doesn't sound like anyone died, so there's no reason to start screaming at the tank, especially if they still had 3k hp left...that's plenty to finish up a moderate pull, and in a big pull probably means the healer forgot to refresh medicaII and regen when they fell off.

[Andrea]

Oh god.

Can't we just agree that a healer that doesn't dps is average while a healer that does DPS and heal is good? >.<

[TheUltimateSeph]

Oh god.

Can't we just agree that a healer that doesn't dps is average while a healer that does DPS and heal is good? >.<

Never! Wouldn't get 200+ page popcorn threads otherwise. :P

[Lukha]

Oh god.

Can't we just agree that a healer that doesn't dps is average while a healer that does DPS and heal is good? >.<

No, a healer that doesn't DPS at all is bad unless there's a very good reason for it (new to or very undergeared for the run. Sometimes in 8-man content healers will agree that one will solo-heal while the other goes all out on DPS unless something goes wrong). There is very little content in the game that requires you to constantly heal, so if you're not dpsing because you can't find the time between heals, you're probably doing something wrong (which means you're bad), and if you're got plenty of time between heals and aren't DPSing, you're lazy (which also makes you bad).

An 'average' healer would be one that just dots whatever the tank is hitting and goes back to healing/waiting to heal. A 'good' healer is one who contributes meaningfully to DPS without actually letting anyone die.

[MomomiMomi]

Oh god.

Can't we just agree that a healer that doesn't dps is average while a healer that does DPS and heal is good? >.<

Just curious, what would you consider a SCH who puts /follow on the tank and goes afk in low level dungeons to be? They'd be doing their job. Are they average?

[Andrea]

Just curious, what would you consider a SCH who puts /follow on the tank and goes afk in low level dungeons to be? They'd be doing their job. Are they average?

They are being lazy.

Of topic however I love how people are trying to make it seem like I said something that I didnt lol.

Do I think healers should DPS? Yes whenever they get the chance.

Do I think that a healer who doesn't dps is garbage? No, because there could be reasons why they arent dps. They good be new, learning the class, ect...

Do I think that if you've reached expert roulette and still aren't dpsing you're an average healer? No. You should of learned by then how and when to dps.