Is dpsing and a healer becoming the standard norm!

[Kaurie]

To confirm my post from before, I tested actual numbers today in my expert roulette:

Number of Physicks cast: 1
Number of Adlo's cast: 16
Number of Succor's cast: 0
Number of Lustrate's cast: 0

Total number of GCDs outside of Cleric Stance? 17.

As a side note, the tank never dropped below ~75% HP, and no one died (save for a DPS who got caught in animation lock LBing the final boss and killed himself and the boss in one go lol)

[AeraLure]

If he is DPSing, yes. If the tank eat a tank buster, with or without CD, and the healer didn't heal him immediatley because is DPSing, i helaer fault. If the tank isn't use CD, but still have good mitigation and the healer is DPSing, is healer fault.

No. Just no. In the case of the OP it really does sound like the healer was prioritizing dps too much, but the tank has responsibility to use their damage mitigation and there are cases where a player might die and it is not the healer's fault.

I'm sorry, I can not abide by this.

If a tank dies in Sword Oath to a tank buster, that is on the tank, not the healer. I hate tanks that eat tank busters in DPS stance, pop foresight, and then blame the healer when they die.

Tanks are accountable. If they don't pop mitigation and they die, that is on them. I have had tanks eating towers in Sephirot-EX who are surprised they don't survive when they're in DPS stance and pop absolutely nothing to help the healer.

Now, if the tank pops CD's and they still die? Then yes, I can blame a healer for that. But if you're eating 20k+ damage and you only have 21k hp? Pop some ****ing mitigation.

Thank you for this.

[Whiteroom]

If he is DPSing, yes. If the tank eat a tank buster, with or without CD, and the healer didn't heal him immediatley because is DPSing, i helaer fault. If the tank isn't use CD, but still have good mitigation and the healer is DPSing, is healer fault.

It is a small bright spot that I will never have to heal you.

While a healer should be ready with a heal after a tank buster, It is fully the tanks responsibility to pop a CD during a tank buster. Unless you are so overgeared that you can easily take a tank buster in dps stance with no CD, that death is on you.

[Veralidaine]

My healer last night in amdapor dpsd the entire time and we did fine AND things died very fast. I was out of there in maybe 20 minutes. It was a nice change.

[Xlantaa]

It is a small bright spot that I will never have to heal you.

While a healer should be ready with a heal after a tank buster, It is fully the tanks responsibility to pop a CD during a tank buster. Unless you are so overgeared that you can easily take a tank buster in dps stance with no CD, that death is on you.

That's a bit of personal attack. You're are supossing I play tank without CD, or tank stance or something.

I think people is not reading me at all or I didn't expalin myselft because my english is very limited. They still think I'm blaming heals, when I'm also a healer as second class, and I fought with tanks with low Hp and not useing CD, all the days.

I will try explain myself again. If me, a healer, see the tank Hp drops, I use heal. But, if instead of heal, I see the Hp drops, but I stay on Cleric and I continue DPSing, I think it is my fault. Can be the tank fault? Yes, but then is both fault,so it is still my fault.

[ElieDavion]

well back to the op and yes dpsing is the norm but as you can see some healers take it too far (like the one you had it read like he deliberatly let the tank fall to such low numbers since a tankbuster or the content you did wasnt mentioned i think so) and some tanks dont use cd (wich i also dont get why must not have been the best tank aswell) but yeah its essentially the norm

[AlphaSonic]

That's a bit of personal attack. You're are supossing I play tank without CD, or tank stance or something.

I think people is not reading me at all or I didn't expalin myselft because my english is very limited. They still think I'm blaming heals, when I'm also a healer as second class, and I fought with tanks with low Hp and not useing CD, all the days.

I will try explain myself again. If me, a healer, see the tank Hp drops, I use heal. But, if instead of heal, I see the Hp drops, but I stay on Cleric and I continue DPSing, I think it is my fault. Can be the tank fault? Yes, but then is both fault,so it is still my fault.

Nope. It is the healer fault if he continues to DPS and the tank dies. But if the tank reaches 500 health and then the healer uses his cooldowns like Tetra, Essential Dignity, Lustrate. He did his job perfectly fine. Healers are here to keep you alive not to keep you at 100% all the time when it isn't even needed.

[sorahu]

I think you have to understand human psychology on this one. Once healer used to stance dance and perform some useful damage, he/she will then become more and more aggresive for speed. When that happens, you start to criticize every other players and pressure them to become more better. Especially when you farming your ilevel210 relic, you have to run those 4 man dungeons like crazy. So you naturally start to develop elitist mind.. I actually believe not only healers, but also every other job should try and play their char to fullest.

I see and I raise the pot as well, it is time for tanks and dps to step our game up and have more of elitist mindset, meaning do whatever we need to do to play all our jobs to the fullest.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

A healer who doesn't or refuses to DPS is just not a good healer. They gave healers utility to deal damage for a reason, and with tanks now doing less it is far MORE important then ever for healers to do their jobs.

In most instances, low level and high I have Cleric Stance up 50% of the time now because tanks are so easy and boring to heal (due to getting 8-12k more health.)

So like bad DPS. If your healer is just standing there picking his nose when your barely taking damage you should vote kick him and get a better healer or call him out because "killing' the mob faster = less damage taken.


I actually was on the healers side of the argument before tank nerfs because a lot of the time some times the spike damage would kill the tank. However with tanks especially in instances being so meaty and boring to heal its not an excuse.

[TheUltimateSeph]

A healer who doesn't or refuses to DPS is just not a good healer. They gave healers utility to deal damage for a reason, and with tanks now doing less it is far MORE important then ever for healers to do their jobs.

In most instances, low level and high I have Cleric Stance up 50% of the time now because tanks are so easy and boring to heal (due to getting 8-12k more health.)

So like bad DPS. If your healer is just standing there picking his nose when your barely taking damage you should vote kick him and get a better healer or call him out because "killing' the mob faster = less damage taken.


I actually was on the healers side of the argument before tank nerfs because a lot of the time some times the spike damage would kill the tank. However with tanks especially in instances being so meaty and boring to heal its not an excuse.

No no no just no. If tanks doing less damage is slowing down runs it does NOT fall to the healers to pick up the slack. The DPS need to step up their game if it's going that slow. Healer dps is not required and saying someone is a bad healer for not dpsing is just dumb.