FC Chest Looting

[Jetstream_Fox]

You guys wont' convince the OP since they are the leader and they don't want to accept responsibility.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...875309/member/

Are you serious? So based on your logic if you invite your neighbors over to your house for a party and they steal your car keys and make off with it, you the host are entirely at fault and you shouldn't get your car back.

[Energy2k8]

Are you serious? So based on your logic if you invite your neighbors over to your house for a party and they steal your car keys and make off with it, you the host are entirely at fault and you shouldn't get your car back.

You are if you have stated you can take stuff out of your house for personal use.

[Neophyte]

Are you serious? So based on your logic if you invite your neighbors over to your house for a party and they steal your car keys and make off with it, you the host are entirely at fault and you shouldn't get your car back.

Lol.

If you give your neighboor the keys to your house, the combination of your safe and a written allowance saying 'You may take/place any items in my house.' then yes.

[Jetstream_Fox]

Lol.

If you give your neighboor the keys to your house, the combination of your safe and a written allowance saying 'You may take/place any items in my house.' then yes.

I don't really think you know how theft works. I work at a casino, I have permission to enter soft count (where they count the money) if I take money out of this room, despite having access to this room, it's databases and safes, I lose my job. For that money belongs to my job, not me, despite me having full access to it. Based on your logic with me having full access, the keys and the codes, to my jobs ridiculous amount of money, I should be able to take it, quit, and walk out a free man and my job couldn't do anything about it, because they gave me access to this area per my job requirements.

Now let's apply to this final fantasy, I belong to a free company, I have access to slot one of the chest, I take all the items, quit your company and do whatever I want with those items. I still committed a theft because those items belong to your free company and were intended to be used by free company members. I am no longer a company member but I have all your stacks of alligator pears, that is theft, no matter how you want to slice it.

Either way I don't care since I'm the only member in my free company and no one can touch any of my 45 million I've saved up, any of the crafting items, grade 5 materia, or ilv 220 items I bleed out to the market for profit.

[Protopop]

I agree that it would be nice to have GMs able to intervene and given tools in these kind of situations as this sort of thing happens a lot.

What would also be nice is if you could also set how many items or items from a stack a person could take per day on rank settings instead of it being all or nothing. As it is right now as long as you have permission to access the chest you can take everything that isn't in a locked tab.

[Energy2k8]

I don't really think you know how theft works. I work at a casino, I have permission to enter soft count (where they count the money) if I take money out of this room, despite having access to this room, it's databases and safes, I lose my job. For that money belongs to my job, not me, despite me having full access to it. Based on your logic with me having full access, the keys and the codes, to my jobs ridiculous amount of money, I should be able to take it, quit, and walk out a free man and my job couldn't do anything about it, because they gave me access to this area per my job requirements.

No, you are wrong. In Final Fantasy you have permission to take stuff from the free company chest.

Edit: Quoted the wrong part of your post.

[LadyVal]

No, you are wrong. In Final Fantasy you have permission to take stuff from the free company chest.

Edit: Quoted the wrong part of your post.

Pretty sure 100% of FCs with chest access operate under the assumption of "You have access, and we are trusting you not to screw us," just as when I was working in fine jewelry I had safe combinations and security codes and my job assumed I would not screw them. The difference is, irl the police will hunt you down and punish you. GMs may or may not, in-game.

If you believe that because you can, makes it okay if you do, then I find you have questionable moral character at the very best.

The FC leader should have been more careful with the chest and equally as important, the thief (who probably scammed the FC into believing they wanted to be a participating member just for chest access, which counts as scamming in the ToS and is punishable, read it) should be punished for his actions and SE should do something about it.

[worldofneil]

Are you serious? So based on your logic if you invite your neighbors over to your house for a party and they steal your car keys and make off with it, you the host are entirely at fault and you shouldn't get your car back.

I'm sorry, but that is a terrible analogy.

People with FC chest permissions were explicitly given permission to add/remove items from the company chest. Unless you have explicitly given your neighbour the same permission to take your car keys (and your car) it's not the same thing.

Sucky as it sounds, as others have pointed out, and as SE have demonstrated, if you give someone permissions to remove stuff from the chest, they are allowed to do just that, whether you like it or not. If you're not happy they could technically remove items at any point, for any reason, then don't give them chest access.

[AnaviAnael]

Are you serious? So based on your logic if you invite your neighbors over to your house for a party and they steal your car keys and make off with it, you the host are entirely at fault and you shouldn't get your car back.

To me it's more like you invite your neighbors over and tell them to help themselves to the fridge and they eat all your food. You technically gave them permission, but it's still a rotten thing to do and completely disrespectful of your time and resources.

[Skivvy]

Or you don't have reading comprehension because I stated IF I TOOK MONEY AND I IMMEDIATELY QUIT THE JOB As soon as I took the money out. How else would I count the money if I can't take it out? It's PER MY JOB RESPONSIBILITIES to take out and count this money. Seriously sometimes wonder about these forums and where some players crawl out of.

Point is, this is a bloody video game and not real life. So enough of that silly stuff. A person was given full persmissions to take/receive items from a FC chest. They opted to take all and run. Nothing here is against the rules. Is it a shitty situation? Of course. We'd all like to think people are more decent than that, but there will always be those who surprise you.

Take more caution with those you promote and who has access to what. Also remember that anyone can promote above themselves, so that ability really should be locked down hard.