FC Chest Looting

[Evangela]

I think they can take the items back but they have no reason to inform him why they have to do so. He didn't violate any rule. You gave him the right to withdraw stuffs and he took stuffs. Nothing's wrong with that.

[Zari]

Regardless of what happens, this should be a lesson to not just have free permissions in the chest

Only give the chest permissions to the higher ups who can then distribute the items to people who need them if asked.

[BlatantPyre]

This may be beside the point, but there is another issue I have noticed that may add to this argument: the ability to promote yourself (or demote those above you) if you have promotion allowance. I have heard of many fc's having an issue when one of their officers decided to go rogue and invite/promote hostile people into the fc for the sole purpose of stealing. Having the ability of promotion is essentially having the ability to change all rules, since (unless this has changed, I haven't checked in a while) you can promote yourself. From what I understand, this did not occur in this instance, but it has been a problem for others, and I don't understand why such a system made sense to the devs in the first place...

That all being said, fc's should be mindful of every allowance a specific rank has, and should be aware that in a game environment it is the mechanics of the game itself that protect you (or leave you wide open), not agreements among players. Most of our friends in MMO's are in truth strangers in reality, and the rules of these small worlds are vastly different than the real world. Do I think the GM's should be better equipped to deal with problems such as this? Absolutely, having such a glaring hole (this has happened to many fc's) is a huge problem, and OP is correct in the fact that other MMO's handle such things far better, sadly. But this does not change the fact that the perpetrator was allowed to do the deed by the other officers due to negligence of the current terrain and minutia of the fc mechanics, poor though they may be.

I agree that SE needs to figure out a way to keep things like this from happening, but the blame does not fall with the GM's or their ability to "punish". My apologies to those who were affected by this theft, it really does suck what this person did to you, but the response by the GMs is adequate. Who you really should be going after is the devs for having a very odd system in play for fc rankings...but even more-so, because of the limited system, you should really only have 2-3 people in charge of most allowances in your fc, and prepare for the possible loss of anything that goes into the chest just through daily play, let alone by anyone with vile intent.

[Teryaani]

This may be beside the point, but there is another issue I have noticed that may add to this argument: the ability to promote yourself (or demote those above you) if you have promotion allowance.

That lovely flaw was the reason that we've been hyper paranoid about who we give promotion permissions to.

OP, we have a single open tab in our company chest and that's it. Everything else is locked to leader/co-leader. From past experience if you give people the right to take something, they're going to take it. The honor system doesn't work in the long run.

[PArcher]

I'm going to parrot what's been said; he had permission to take the items, so none of the game's rules were broken.

This is fully the fault of whoever set the permissions.

And having FC rules in place doesn't mean they are the game's rules. The GM enforce the rules they have, not every little variation someone can make for a very specific situation.

Set your permissions properly, or this is likely to happen again (and no, the GMs still won't do anything because no game rule has been broken)

[sayafrost]

In our FC we have 4 people that have access to the FC chest, even if we trust all our members (we are a small one), we agreed on this system and if someone needs something, they ask one of the 4 people that have permissions.

Unfortunately this things happen, and there isn't much we can do about then being paranoid about everything. While it's wrong, I also understand that GMs can't do much about it.

[Ciri_Wolf]

I think it's funny how many people defend thieves. You can use stuff =/= take everything and leave the FC. The leader was foolish for giving permisions, but you guys defending stealing are worse.

[Ashkendor]

I think it's funny how many people defend thieves. You can use stuff =/= take everything and leave the FC. The leader was foolish for giving permisions, but you guys defending stealing are worse.

Nobody's defending thievery. What they're saying is that it could have been prevented if permissions were set up correctly. Giving tons of people access to the FC chest and its contents is very much akin to leaving your front door unlocked when you leave the house. If your TV is gone when you get home, you're at least partially responsible for that loss because you didn't lock up.

[AsteriaStarfall]

Again, it's still disruption and griefing.

I dont think you fully understand permissions and that those in charge of setting the rank permissions are the ones at fault. Just because someone used the permissions given to them does not mean it is griefing.

[Taika]

If people would follow the "you shouldn't give anyone permissions to chest if you don't want them to use everything in there to their own personal benefit", the FC chest would be completely useless for anyone but the FC master in the first place. It's obvious the chest is meant to be more than just personal storage space for the FC master, so it makes no sense to defend this argument.

GMs should intervene if a FC members steals stuff from the chest, if it can be proven that the member is aware of the FC rules regarding the use of the chest (a screenshot of chat log when the rules have been explained should work, for example).