FC Chest Looting

[sayafrost]

In our FC we have 4 people that have access to the FC chest, even if we trust all our members (we are a small one), we agreed on this system and if someone needs something, they ask one of the 4 people that have permissions.

Unfortunately this things happen, and there isn't much we can do about then being paranoid about everything. While it's wrong, I also understand that GMs can't do much about it.

[KaijinRhada]

My opinion on this, only a few people should have access to the FC chest, and it should be carefully considered who gets that privilege. Yeah, things might have started off well, only to go south later, but that's a risk people take when you allow people access to it. Anyone with access to the chest can invite risk of stolen goods, but it's always going to fall to the people that can promote to judge their character before giving them access. Even with careful consideration, it's still going to be on the top rung on what should be allowed and what isn't per rank. If you don't organize ranks and privileges, and bank tabs with such and event in mind, I'm not sure what to tell you.

It sucks that it happened, but you're still responsible for allowing it, which is why people have to take steps to minimize any such loss.

[Ciri_Wolf]

I think it's funny how many people defend thieves. You can use stuff =/= take everything and leave the FC. The leader was foolish for giving permisions, but you guys defending stealing are worse.

[AsteriaStarfall]

Again, it's still disruption and griefing.

I dont think you fully understand permissions and that those in charge of setting the rank permissions are the ones at fault. Just because someone used the permissions given to them does not mean it is griefing.

[Taika]

If people would follow the "you shouldn't give anyone permissions to chest if you don't want them to use everything in there to their own personal benefit", the FC chest would be completely useless for anyone but the FC master in the first place. It's obvious the chest is meant to be more than just personal storage space for the FC master, so it makes no sense to defend this argument.

GMs should intervene if a FC members steals stuff from the chest, if it can be proven that the member is aware of the FC rules regarding the use of the chest (a screenshot of chat log when the rules have been explained should work, for example).

[Ashkendor]

I think it's funny how many people defend thieves. You can use stuff =/= take everything and leave the FC. The leader was foolish for giving permisions, but you guys defending stealing are worse.

Nobody's defending thievery. What they're saying is that it could have been prevented if permissions were set up correctly. Giving tons of people access to the FC chest and its contents is very much akin to leaving your front door unlocked when you leave the house. If your TV is gone when you get home, you're at least partially responsible for that loss because you didn't lock up.

[SaitoHikari]

Again, it's still disruption and griefing.

You're actually replying to a FC leader (Ashkendor) who actually had the same thing happen roughly 3 weeks ago, and the person that took everything from our chest did it in a way/for a reason that pretty much made them 100% guilty. Not only did they take everything from our chest, they rearranged all the furnishings in the FC house into the bottom floor + spent all the company credits on ceruleum tanks before leaving with a giant middle finger. And what was it for? Hunt salt. How did they get in the FC in the first place? They made an alt and pretended to be a new player for the sole purpose of screwing with the FC.

Despite the overwhelming evidence, we didn't get anything back. All we could do in the end was suck it up and rebuild. And put tighter restrictions on the chest, and pretty much close FC recruitment.

[Ashkendor]

Despite the overwhelming evidence, we didn't get anything back. All we could do in the end was suck it up and rebuild. And put tighter restrictions on the chest

^ 100% this. The funny part is all it really did was spur me to fix the permissions and grind my tail off for a solid points base to get us started again. 3 weeks later, we now have almost double the points they took from us along with a fully restocked FC chest and a shiny new Recruit rank that has zero permissions to anything except entering the FC house and using the chocobo stables. So, kudos to them for accomplishing basically nothing whatsoever with the possible exception of getting themselves in trouble. :3

[Ciri_Wolf]

Nobody's defending thievery. What they're saying is that it could have been prevented if permissions were set up correctly. Giving tons of people access to the FC chest and its contents is very much akin to leaving your front door unlocked when you leave the house. If your TV is gone when you get home, you're at least partially responsible for that loss because you didn't lock up.

Don't get me wrong. I think it was actually the FC leader's fault. I just saw a post on the first page actually saying the thief didn't steal anything. I see that a lot in these topics. Which is silly. The thief knows he was stealing, which is why he ran away.

[Squigley]

If they have the permission to take items from the company chest, it's not stealing. FC leadership should be more careful with permissions and/or recruitment if disappearing stuff is becoming a problem.

Edit: Okay, I might have been trolling a bit. But the point is that the permission settings are there so that this kind of stuff doesn't happen. The leaders are to blame if someone empties the chest etc.