Recipe changes in 1.19

[darkstarpoet1]

I'm not sure what recipe you are referring to. However, this really sounds like the current system where it takes half a dozen parts from all kinds of different classes and levels to make one item.

ok ignoring the rest of the ignorant drivel and will just comment on this one thing.

if you have problems reading this thread then you may not have already seen what it is pointing out.

making cotton yarn....follow so far?

now it takes 2 cotton bolls to make 12 cotton yarn. still with me?

after it takes 2 cotton bolls to make 1 cotton yarn. do you understand still?

before 1 synth makes 12 items....after it takes 12 synths to get the same amount of materials. to grind 12 parts or 12 finished items it will take 12x the number of synths to get the same amount of material.

maybe i should say count from 1 to 12 and see which one you get to first.

[syntaxlies]

ok ignoring the rest of the ignorant drivel and will just comment on this one thing.

if you have problems reading this thread then you may not have already seen what it is pointing out.

making cotton yarn....follow so far?

now it takes 2 cotton bolls to make 12 cotton yarn. still with me?

after it takes 2 cotton bolls to make 1 cotton yarn. do you understand still?

before 1 synth makes 12 items....after it takes 12 synths to get the same amount of materials. to grind 12 parts or 12 finished items it will take 12x the number of synths to get the same amount of material.

maybe i should say count from 1 to 12 and see which one you get to first.

whats wrong with that, you can grind on mats now, which sounds good to me.

youll be able to make a 100 synths and only take up 1 inv spot

[Kiote]

whats wrong with that, you can grind on mats now now which sounds good to me.

No, now we HAVE to grind two or three mats hundreds of times for 0 xp so that we fill our inventories will unstackable garbage for XP that we will have to vendor one piece at a time because no one will ever buy it. They are removing all the grinding recipes and making the regular recipes require advancementless grinding.

[syntaxlies]

No, now we HAVE to grind two or three mats hundreds of times for 0 xp so that we fill our inventories will unstackable garbage for XP that we will have to vendor one piece at a time because no one will ever buy it. They are removing all the grinding recipes and making the regular recipes require advancementless grinding.

there wil always be mats in your rank range were you dont have to worry about getting 0 xp

[darkstarpoet1]

whats wrong with that, you can grind on mats now, which sounds good to me.

youll be able to make a 100 synths and only take up 1 inv spot

nope it takes 8 synths to make a stack of cotton bolls. follow this thinking. that stack of cotton bolls makes 3 stacks of cotton cloth. which would make 300 synths of mats. that's 3 slots.

after you make those same 300 synths and you only have 3 stacks of cotton bolls and still have to convert that down to a stack and a half of cloth.

now you take that cloth and convert it into an item that stacks to 99 so you do not have to stand up every 30 min to run to the retainer. afterwards by grinding on finished gear you will be constantly npcing finished gear because it only stacks to 1 in your inventory.

to people that don't think they will npc their gear they make leveling up are delusional. out of the hundreds of earrings, rings, masks, or needles needles did you sell compared to how many you npc'd? well over 90% of them i am sure. people will use those same finished gear to grind off just because it's the easiest item to get the mats for. it makes no difference.

[syntaxlies]

nope it takes 8 synths to make a stack of cotton bolls. follow this thinking. that stack of cotton bolls makes 3 stacks of cotton cloth. which would make 300 synths of mats. that's 3 slots.

after you make those same 300 synths and you only have 3 stacks of cotton bolls and still have to convert that down to a stack and a half of cloth.

now you take that cloth and convert it into an item that stacks to 99 so you do not have to stand up every 30 min to run to the retainer. afterwards by grinding on finished gear you will be constantly npcing finished gear because it only stacks to 1 in your inventory.

to people that don't think they will npc their gear they make leveling up are delusional. out of the hundreds of earrings, rings, masks, or needles needles did you sell compared to how many you npc'd? well over 90% of them i am sure. people will use those same finished gear to grind off just because it's the easiest item to get the mats for. it makes no difference.

or you could npc the mats and start over if its such a hassle

[Reika]

ok ignoring the rest of the ignorant drivel and will just comment on this one thing.

if you have problems reading this thread then you may not have already seen what it is pointing out.

making cotton yarn....follow so far?

now it takes 2 cotton bolls to make 12 cotton yarn. still with me?

after it takes 2 cotton bolls to make 1 cotton yarn. do you understand still?

before 1 synth makes 12 items....after it takes 12 synths to get the same amount of materials. to grind 12 parts or 12 finished items it will take 12x the number of synths to get the same amount of material.

maybe i should say count from 1 to 12 and see which one you get to first.

This is only because you wont have to invest as many total materials into making a finished item. Take the new item Steel Cuirass VS the current Iron Cuirass for example. Iron Cuirasses as they are are a pain in the ass to craft, but after the patch, it will take a lot less time kneeling to produce a Cuirass.

For me being, wanting to mainly craft weapons and armor since day one, going from ore to ingot in one shot is a godsend alone. Looking at the new recipies for cloth gear, I see that they will also take way less materials total than the old ones did.

If they left cotton as yielding 12, then all you would need is 2 cotton balls to make 2 finished items.

Perhaps 1 is way too low, but 12 would be way too high for the current changes to finished items. Maybe if they went to a 2 cotton-2 or 3 yarn conversion it would prove a lot better.

Tho in a way, it is SE following their bad habit of going from one extreme to the other. Weaver right now is extremely easy to rank up, given that you can make so many materials and just rank up off of linen or woolen cloth in the end. Now they are turning it from having the highest material recipe yield to the lowest, as revenge for the extreme ease in ranking weaver.

[darkstarpoet1]

This is only because you wont have to invest as many total materials into making a finished item. Take the new item Steel Cuirass VS the current Iron Cuirass for example. Iron Cuirasses as they are are a pain in the ass to craft, but after the patch, it will take a lot less time kneeling to produce a Cuirass.

For me being, wanting to mainly craft weapons and armor since day one, going from ore to ingot in one shot is a godsend alone. Looking at the new recipies for cloth gear, I see that they will also take way less materials total than the old ones did.

If they left cotton as yielding 12, then all you would need is 2 cotton balls to make 2 finished items.

Perhaps 1 is way too low, but 12 would be way too high for the current changes to finished items. Maybe if they went to a 1 cotton-1 yarn conversion it would prove a lot better.

look at the cotton crafts again. yes, the did lower the materials to make the items, but did they make it 1/7th of what it was?

2 cotton bolls turn into 9 cotton cloth after completing 4 synths.

36 cotton bolls turn into 9 cotton cloth after 27 synths after.

that is 18 times the number of materials, 7 times the shard cost, and 7 times the number of shards

that's what i am saying they claimed to make it easier to get the materials to get finished items by fixing the recipes, but they increased the time to get the lower parts dramatically which makes the overall craft take longer.

[Fanzeron]

now it takes 2 cotton bolls to make 12 cotton yarn. still with me?

after it takes 2 cotton bolls to make 1 cotton yarn. do you understand still?

before 1 synth makes 12 items....after it takes 12 synths to get the same amount of materials. to grind 12 parts or 12 finished items it will take 12x the number of synths to get the same amount of material.

If this is true, then can we imagine how this will affect the market??!! Prices will rise exponentially?! And even now people are complaining they can't sell their items at low prices.

[darkstarpoet1]

If this is true, then can we imagine how this will affect the market??!! Prices will rise exponentially?! And even now people are complaining they can't sell their items at low prices.

oh yeah i am already working on turning my stacks of logs into lumber, bolls and flax into yarn, and skins into leather. i'm going to make another alt just to put those items on.