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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    Uhh, what? This doesn't affect the leveling speed in any shape or form.. 12 yarns or 1 yarn, exp is exp.
    that particular recipe isn't the issue, but rather how it impacts what you make with the yarn down the line, which is where you gain most of your SP from.

    For example, right now 2 flax will net you 12 linen yarns, which in turn will get you 4 undyed linen synth, for a total of 5 sp synths from 2 flax.

    in the new system, 2 flax will net you 1 yarn, which is only half of what you need for a single undyed linen, which means you would need 4 flax to make one linen cloth, which in turn gives you 4 flax for 3 sp synths

    If SP per synth remained the same, this recipe in the new system would have you use twice the amount of mats for barely 30% of the SP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aenarion View Post
    that particular recipe isn't the issue, but rather how it impacts what you make with the yarn down the line, which is where you gain most of your SP from.

    For example, right now 2 flax will net you 12 linen yarns, which in turn will get you 4 undyed linen synth, for a total of 5 sp synths from 2 flax.

    in the new system, 2 flax will net you 1 yarn, which is only half of what you need for a single undyed linen, which means you would need 4 flax to make one linen cloth, which in turn gives you 4 flax for 3 sp synths

    If SP per synth remained the same, this recipe in the new system would have you use twice the amount of mats for barely 30% of the SP.
    thank you i see someone else sees the issue. they'll see it when they start doing it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1 View Post
    unless they boost the sp given per synth to 10x what it is now i am really going to feel sorry for everyone that didn't get their crafts ranked before.
    that's my concern atm as well, I'm assuming SE have something planned to substitute the parts grind that's been the mainstay of DoH leveling outside of leves. If not, then new/non-capped crafters is really gonna take a hit on this
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1 View Post
    all i can do is sit back and laugh and say this is what people have been talking about from the first time they mentioned the streamlining of recipes. unless they increase the amount of sp per synth alot of people that just think they hate crafting now are really gonna hate it after the patch.

    if you don't believe me just look at weaver.

    before with 2 cotton bolls you made 12 yarn...it takes 4 yarn to make 3 cloth. that means 2 cotton bolls makes you 9 cloth. that is 9 parts for a finished gear.

    after the patch 2 cotton bolls make you 1 yarn....it takes 2 yarn to make one cloth. this means now it is going to take you 4 cotton bolls to make 1 cotton cloth. that gives you one part for a finished gear.

    people are looking at the changes and saying ohhhh simplification. if you look at the numbers it will take you 18x the amount of synths to make the same amount of materials. if i can get enough materials for a grind today in 1 hour you will be working for 18 hours after the patch to get the same amount of materials.

    unless they boost the sp given per synth to 10x what it is now i am really going to feel sorry for everyone that didn't get their crafts ranked before.
    What you forget to mention is that items will also require much less materials to synth. So instead of using 9 cloth to make the front, back, neck, sleeves, and then finally the cotton tunic, you'll just need 1 cloth to make 1 tunic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Technolust View Post
    What you forget to mention is that items will also require much less materials to synth. So instead of using 9 cloth to make the front, back, neck, sleeves, and then finally the cotton tunic, you'll just need 1 cloth to make 1 tunic.
    yeah, they use alot less materials like needing to get 2 dodore wings instead of 1, right? like needing 36 cotton bolls instead of 1, right? like the shards to do 27 synths instead of 4, right? those same amount of materials were already in game beforehand,by making parts, and actually used less than the finished items now will.

    since 1.18 came out i've capped 4 crafting classes not to mention the other sp i have been getting. if you cap 4 crafts in the same length of time after the patch then you can prove me wrong. you won't though because you will use an excuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1 View Post
    yeah, they use alot less materials like needing to get 2 dodore wings instead of 1, right? like needing 36 cotton bolls instead of 1, right? like the shards to do 27 synths instead of 4, right? those same amount of materials were already in game beforehand,by making parts, and actually used less than the finished items now will.

    since 1.18 came out i've capped 4 crafting classes not to mention the other sp i have been getting. if you cap 4 crafts in the same length of time after the patch then you can prove me wrong. you won't though because you will use an excuse.
    Whats the hurry to reach cap if the markets are currently dead. The changes are to try and revive it. I dont care if it takes me an extra month or 2 to reach cap as long as i can sell things again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lenn1 View Post
    Whats the hurry to reach cap if the markets are currently dead. The changes are to try and revive it. I dont care if it takes me an extra month or 2 to reach cap as long as i can sell things again.
    because i heard about this patch and expected just about exactly what we are getting. a good majority of my server have been doing strictly crafting and gathering since the updates because we were very disappointed in the new battle system and this very same reason. i capped mine because it will be the only battle classes that need to come to me later for gear. since it will take them longer to catch up that's just longer they will buy stuff.

    granted, i make a ton of finished item and toss it the majority of the time, but i am glad i got them done. i'll finish the last few crafts and my doh's this update and i will be setup to do battle once they get this disaster of a system in game now completed. they did say 1.20 or 1.21.

    edit: btw the wards aren't dead now. i still make a few hundred k daily off my retainers. guess you are doing that wrong too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1 View Post
    since 1.18 came out i've capped 4 crafting classes not to mention the other sp i have been getting. if you cap 4 crafts in the same length of time after the patch then you can prove me wrong. you won't though because you will use an excuse.
    Lmao @ ^ So since you reached 4 crafting classes to cap makes you more right then anyone else?

    You keep crying about it. Have fun with your thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Technolust View Post
    Lmao @ ^ So since you reached 4 crafting classes to cap makes you more right then anyone else?

    You keep crying about it. Have fun with your thread.
    yeah i didn't think you would take the challenge. excuse 1
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    Am I looking at this wrong, are arrows a 1:1 ratio now?

    Seems when multiples Areca result they put it in the parentheses after result name.

    So one arrow per synth?
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