Cleric Stance

[Ophie-Mio]

Cleric Stance is more akin to Sword Oath, which has no accuracy boost associated with it.

Shield Oath is for generating enmity and reducing damage, not boosting DPS.

I'm aware, but I was using it purely for stance dancing reasoning. As tanks have equipment that has accuracy on it, the increase that comes with Shield Oath is practically unnecessary.

[Ashkendor]

I'm aware, but I was using it purely for stance dancing reasoning. As tanks have equipment that has accuracy on it, the increase that comes with Shield Oath is practically unnecessary.

Definitely. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't say no to an accuracy boost for healer. I play a very aggressive style with Scholar and the misses in Expert Roulette irk me a lot. I just think comparing Shield Oath to Cleric Stance is basically comparing apples to oranges, because they have two entirely different uses. Tanks need massive amounts of accuracy because we're forced to be in front of the boss. We have to hit it to do our primary job duty. Healers not so much. Healers are in a weird place right now.

[Ophie-Mio]

Tanks need massive amounts of accuracy because we're forced to be in front of the boss. We have to hit it to do our primary job duty. Healers not so much. Healers are in a weird place right now.

I agree with you in that it was a stretch but I wanted to give the example since it can stand as a precedent that they piggyback acc on other actions.

As a SCH, it's annoying when you miss a Broil or a Miasma, but on WHM/AST, it's considered a waste of time to dps in Savage due to the fact that their dps abilities are so heavily based in acc. Tanks DO need massive amounts of acc, but I've been acc capped when I used to tank plenty of times. I know other tanks that have no issues being capped and can switch out gear for more anything else vs. Acc. They have the tools to do what they do.

Like you say, healers are in a weird place. We're told that we don't have to dps, yet they train the newbies to do so. They tell us that we don't have to, but the dps checks in place insist on it. We are given low acc with no means to raise it other than to the detriment of our main purpose and yet they expect us to do what?

In Savage, SCH is both a healer and a dps. Our primary job is to provide additional dps. In Gordias, I was required to contribute no less than 200-300 at a minimum. How to do that when I'm missing half my Broils despite eating food? D:

[Duelle]

Like you say, healers are in a weird place. We're told that we don't have to dps, yet they train the newbies to do so. They tell us that we don't have to, but the dps checks in place insist on it. We are given low acc with no means to raise it other than to the detriment of our main purpose and yet they expect us to do what?

Well, the sources of the issues are non-cohesiveness between class and content design and the fact SCH was not really...corrected...when players started pumping out DPS with it back in ARR. Ability bloat plays into this too, because post-50 skills had the risk of being redundant if they had all been heals (which creates other issues like too much outgoing healing accessible to a healer, which then means everything has to deal more damage to balance that out).

The devs really need to sit down and look at what they want to get out of their healer paradigm, decide on a set of rules for their healing classes (and for once stick to them across all levels of design) and then make necessary changes on WHM, SCH and AST. Cleric Stance is more an accessory to the problem, and I feel it comes partly from the fact SCH is not as penalized as the other two healers. At least to my knowledge the fairy's healing potency is not nerfed the way WHM and AST are in Cleric Stance. Granted, I wouldn't have given SCH access to Cleric Stance in the first place and given it its own special stance with its own set of limitations.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Well, the sources of the issues are non-cohesiveness between class and content design and the fact SCH was not really...corrected...when players started pumping out DPS with it back in ARR. Ability bloat plays into this too, because post-50 skills had the risk of being redundant if they had all been heals (which creates other issues like too much outgoing healing accessible to a healer, which then means everything has to deal more damage to balance that out).

The devs really need to sit down and look at what they want to get out of their healer paradigm, decide on a set of rules for their healing classes (and for once stick to them across all levels of design) and then make necessary changes on WHM, SCH and AST. Cleric Stance is more an accessory to the problem, and I feel it comes partly from the fact SCH is not as penalized as the other two healers. At least to my knowledge the fairy's healing potency is not nerfed the way WHM and AST are in Cleric Stance. Granted, I wouldn't have given SCH access to Cleric Stance in the first place and given it its own special stance with its own set of limitations.

Not true, other healers can lay down HOTs and go DPS. They also have to spam less skills then scholars do to get the most out of their damage because their skills do more damage literally.

If you nerf Scholar, I would nerf Paladins Clemency to heal 1/4 of what it does now.

[Niroken]

Not true, other healers can lay down HOTs and go DPS. They also have to spam less skills then scholars do to get the most out of their damage because their skills do more damage literally.

If you nerf Scholar, I would nerf Paladins Clemency to heal 1/4 of what it does now.

WHM DPS'ing is not as mana efficient compared to SCH as we are mainly burst damage, even if we had 100% accuracy the DPS is not sustainable. There is a reason why SCH is the go to healer for DPS.