Problem: The Mentor requirements cater to players who have no business being Mentors.

[Takfloyd]

You have a good point but you're absolutely terrible at communicating it. Attacking other mentors you know nothing about accusing them of being speedrunners that ruin the experience of newbies is a good way for people to completely overlook what you have to say.

Only if people are afraid of the truth, which is clearly apparent here. You'd have to be blind if you think this isn't a legit problem.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...the_world_for/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...power_in_your/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...e_mentor_chat/
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/67805...eborn/73363286

Hundreds of players who have had bad experiences with mentors. The worst example has to be what the OP in the last link said:

"On a few occasions so far, I've seen mentors, after telling people one or two things about the mechanics of a fight, ask that everyone pass a loot drop as they "told us how to do the fight."

[F_Maximillian]

Only if people are afraid of the truth, which is clearly apparent here. You'd have to be blind if you think this isn't a legit problem.

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Hundreds of players who have had bad experiences with mentors. The worst example has to be what the OP in the last link said:

"On a few occasions so far, I've seen mentors, after telling people one or two things about the mechanics of a fight, ask that everyone pass a loot drop as they "told us how to do the fight."

I'm not saying there are no issues. I'm saying blanket statements are unwise if you wish to gain support for an idea.

[Mirili]

I'm not saying there are no issues. I'm saying blanket statements are unwise if you wish to gain support for an idea.

Or it's a reading comprehension thing. He's not saying "All mentors crawled out of Satan's backside." That would be a blanket statement about mentors.

He's just saying SOME people misuse the system, and it's easy for them to do it. Which is true, and not a blanket statement.

[Ashkendor]

Or it's a reading comprehension thing. He's not saying "All mentors crawled out of Satan's backside." That would be a blanket statement about mentors.

He's just saying SOME people misuse the system, and it's easy for them to do it. Which is true, and not a blanket statement.

He kind of is, though. His title flat-out says that the requirements "cater to" bad mentors (i.e. people that have no business being mentors) and then goes on to explain why he feels this way. I find the "connections" he makes there to be tenuous at best. Having one class of each role at 60 doesn't mean you've powerleveled or speedrun, cause Twelve knows it's easy as hell to get to max level compared to when I started in 2.1. Having cleared 1000 dungeons doesn't mean you've forced newbies to skip cutscenes or forced speedruns. It could just mean you've been playing a really long time. It could mean you do every roulette every day. It could mean you spam Satasha normal 5 times a day every day to help sprouts. There's plenty of ways to clear 1000 dungeons without making other people's game experience miserable in the process, none of which OP bothers to mention.

Similarly, having 300 commendations doesn't automatically mean you got them by speedily speedrunning with other speedrunners. In my experience, speedrunners actually seem less likely than most players to even give commendations - about half the time, they just bounce as soon as the boss dies and don't even bother to look back, much less click the clicky thing that makes numbers go up. I'm sitting at 3k+ commendations and I've gotten just as many from new people that I've explained things to or that I've stood up for as I have from people appreciating the aggressive way I tank or heal. Hell, more than a few of them were earned when I myself was new and learning, simply for either making good use of skills even though I was new to the content or for taking well-intentioned advice in stride instead of flipping the proverbial table at the first sign of constructive criticism.

Are there good mentors and bad mentors? Absolutely. Do the requirements cater to either type specifically? No, and that's where OP went wrong trying to explain his point. He put a negative slant on it from the beginning, so he's getting a negative response.

@OP - Your suggestion of having each mentor individually vetted by GM's is way too work-intensive to be viable.

[Whiteroom]

He kind of is...

^This, OP.is just another salty player who couldn't be bothered to meet the requirements.

Also, if he hasn't managed 300 comms in a year, maybe he has overestimated how well he performs. Especially if he writes it off as "people with comms are speed runners who comm each other."

How many comms get handed out in light farms?

[RickXRolled]

I mentored 7 people through titan ex in mentor roulette.
I've been mentoring people in ravana df long before the concept of mentors was a thing.
I've been handing out 100k to sprouts that aren't bots since 3.1.

..I haven't been able to join mentor chat at all.

[Kurogaea]

I love it when people read to deep in another's words when the point was clear from the start. Mentors get rewards for being mentors. You can be the worse possible mentor but still be rewarded. You can just be a straight up ***hole and also be rewarded. SQ needs a better requirement for Mentor titles to avoid people abusing their titles. Basically what he said.

[Lan_Mantear]

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You seem to think that there is some magic formula that can be used to ensure good mentors. Regardless of what criteria is used some people, in this case you, are going to feel left out. As for the unfortunate bad incidents being reported about mentors... all I gotta say is dicks will be dicks. No amount of filtering will weed them all out.

The requirements are obviously not that strict. If mentoring is that important to you, complete the requirements and start mentoring away. Good luck getting into the mentor/newbie chatroom though. It's usually full.