3.2 Astrologian Changes

[Dyvid]

Astrologian is a class, Nocturnal is a skill that the class has access to. Astrologian needs to be balanced. A Noct Astro is not an actual thing. You are speaking of it as if it's it's own thing that needs separately balanced and equally as viable, which simply isn't true. Astro is a great main healer. The next healer added should probably be a superior off healer. Astro doesn't need to be both.

I have to disagree too. Noct Astro is a thing simple because of design of the Sect system. You have to make a conscious choice before the encounter on how you want to play which, as I said previously, is a bad game design. I think Ghishlain is also on the right path with having Sect tied to our card system rather than a healing tool box.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Yeah, I said a long time ago that Diurnal should be the healing sect and Nocturnal should be a buffing sect - i.e. more potent heals in Diurnal, normal card buffs and normal heals in Nocturnal and more potent/faster card buffs. This is not a new idea that you just suddenly stumbled upon.

[Ghishlain]

Yeah, I said a long time ago that Diurnal should be the healing sect and Nocturnal should be a buffing sect - i.e. more potent heals in Diurnal, normal card buffs and normal heals in Nocturnal and more potent/faster card buffs. This is not a new idea that you just suddenly stumbled upon.

If you're referring to Dyvid's comment about my idea regarding Sects, you didn't quite comprehend what I was suggesting (though my suggestion is definitely a variation to the oft commonly suggested Diurnal = Heals | Nocturnal = Buffs suggestion)

Instead of having one Sect as a healer Sect and another as a Buff Sect, we focus purely on the card aspect. Homogenize the AST healing kit so it has one easy to balance healer kit and instead have both Sects affect your Cards.

For example, Diurnal Sect can reduce the recast of Draw down to 20s while Nocturnal Sect increases a card's power by 5%. There are probably myriad amount of ways you can adjust Shuffle, Royal Road, Draw, Spread, and all the card effects between these two Sects.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

For example, Diurnal Sect can reduce the recast of Draw down to 20s while Nocturnal Sect increases a card's power by 5%. There are probably myriad amount of ways you can adjust Shuffle, Royal Road, Draw, Spread, and all the card effects between these two Sects.

Well, even if nocturnal sect would have "buffed cards", it doesn't really solve the more fundamental issues Nocturnal Sect has - Which we've discussed in greater detail in a different topic

[Ghishlain]

Well, even if nocturnal sect would have "buffed cards", it doesn't really solve the more fundamental issues Nocturnal Sect has - Which we've discussed in greater detail in a different topic

I guess I need to add some clarity since I don't think people quite understand the point I'm trying to make.

Currently, AST has two healing paradigms and one card paradigm.

My suggestion was to shift that so AST has a single healing paradigm (mostly likely Diurnal's healing kit since it's the more powerful of the two) and then have Sects affect the card aspect of the job.

This would indirectly solve the "Nocturnal Balance issue" because Nocturnal Healing doesn't exist anymore. Instead AST has a single healer kit that is much easier to balance against other healers and then Noct and Diurnal now represent different buffing paradigms of S-E's discretion. One may be more suitable than the other based around the player's skill, the content they are participating in, and the composition of the existing group. It would also play on AST's unique buffing aspect and, if designed well enough, encourage the player to think about which Sect they want to use.

[Galdous]

Well, even if nocturnal sect would have "buffed cards", it doesn't really solve the more fundamental issues Nocturnal Sect has - Which we've discussed in greater detail in a different topic

I've noticed Ghislain likes to try to veer the conversation to other topics then what you are talking about if she feels her posts are not making sense to your points. Nocturnal stance will never be on par with the scholar side of the healing setup until it can somehow provide a long term heal that can just be a fire and forget mechanic while the astro is casting offensively. I have alwas been a fan of mimicing the disc priest in wow and letting astro spells have a % of damage dealt smart heal your group as you deal damage.

[Ghishlain]

I've noticed Ghislain likes to try to veer the conversation to other topics then what you are talking about if she feels her posts are not making sense to your points.

Nice passive aggressive quip. You know you could try to refute me directly next time if you dislike my opinion (or dislike me in general, it seems).

It's funny you should make a comment like that to Lyrica this when Lyric wall of texted you... twice, about how illogical your A3S argument was and I mimic her sentiments entirely in that train of thought.

We could re-open that discussion if you like but that would just de-rail the thread and I already know it would be a fruitless endeavor anyway. You don't understand nor accept why your logic is flawed and would continue to demand others to refute you first and then state their argument is invalid and irrelevant to the current discussion.

[EDIT]

Oh, and before you think I'm ignoring the rest of your post.

Nocturnal stance will never be on par with the scholar side of the healing setup until it can somehow provide a long term heal that can just be a fire and forget mechanic while the astro is casting offensively. I have alwas been a fan of mimicing the disc priest in wow and letting astro spells have a % of damage dealt smart heal your group as you deal damage.

I have no problem with this comment, nor do I know enough about current Discipline talents in WoW to make a reply to this. It's just another nice thought that perhaps S-E can consider while trying to figure out what the heck they want to do with Nocturnal (though it's not assuring, based on the translated comment from Reddit earlier in the thread).

[Dyvid]

I've noticed Ghislain likes to try to veer the conversation to other topics then what you are talking about if she feels her posts are not making sense to your points. Nocturnal stance will never be on par with the scholar side of the healing setup until it can somehow provide a long term heal that can just be a fire and forget mechanic while the astro is casting offensively. I have alwas been a fan of mimicing the disc priest in wow and letting astro spells have a % of damage dealt smart heal your group as you deal damage.

Well SE's grand scheme for AST was a main healer stance and backup healer stance. If this is how they want it then it needs to be tweeked to help the main healer as well as help long term dps of the group. SE was incorrect assuming giving a bubble would fill this role but it doesn't. SCH was designed with backup healer in mind. It's has damage mitigation which helps main healer, fairy that buffs and assist heal less targets, and long term dps output via DoTs and Mana. Noct can do this but needs work.

[loreleidiangelo]

I'm not really a fan of locking ASTs into Diurnal...if I wanted to play a WHM, I'd play a WHM. If they're just going to give up any pretense of, "AST can be a WHM OR a SCH!" then I'd really rather they redesign the job completely, from the ground up. A channel healer, a life leech healer, a predominantly HoT-based healer...something unique.

Since that's unlikely to happen, SE needs to finish what they started and give Astrologian's an actual CHOICE about the type of healer they want to play - recovery healer or mitigation.

[Fevelle]

It's IMPOSSIBLE to make Diurnal and Nocturnal so balanced that no one can tell by calculations wich one is better. This will never happen. They just need to buff Nocturnal bonus healing (since MP is not a problem anymore with freaking 24/29 seconds of MP refresh each 2 minutes) and let people choose.