Why should warriors get a free pass to all savage content?

[Fernosaur]

Fun fact : the dps increase of PLD made that they were the only tank job NOT losing dps with the VIT/STR rework nerf. 900 before, 900 now. That translates into the dummies too. PLDs are 30-40 points under DRK, which are 60-80 points under WAR

Are you 100% sure about this? About PLD still doing 900 I mean. At a 3 minute timer I was struggling to keep a steady 800. It might be a case of gear, cause tbh PLD's DPS rotation is far too easy to be a case of skill. GB RA RA with use of OGC in between and proper placement of FoF to get two Goring Blades in the 30 sec window...

I hear many people say AST and their nocturnal sect is no good for anything, it needs to be worked on.. then I hear that in PvP it makes them near OP..

That's mostly because movement is extremely important in PvP, and they have an insta-cast barrier that is (or was) stronger than Adloquium's. Also an instant AoE stun and Lightspeed, which can also be extended with Time Delation if I'm not mistaken. You can see where that is going... Astrologians were nigh untouchable in PvP.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

ast in pvp pre 3.2... like could have 10 people attacking just one and the ast still lives and gets away... that was soooooooo broken...

[Sida]

What I was going at with the comment about AST was in relation to my previous poster who pointed out that while paladin toolset might be not most optimal for PvE, it makes them rather good for PvP. Then again, AST s have also the diurnal.. .. mmh..

[Kuwagami]

Yup cause now the difference is only under 150dps it’s not a major issue now. Before the difference was quite a lot bigger like what was it wars hitting 300ish over drks who hit 80-140ish over pld.

Though still would be nice if warriors lost a bit more dps to be on scale with drk then plds dps would be fine on the scale in quote..

blah blah blah more salt. Dummies account the fact that PLD and DRK don't have the slashing debuff. Taking it into account, PLD's dps is 30 points under WAR, and DRK is 5 points above WAR (AS4 numbers). So much for WAR being top dps and needing more nerfs.

Are you 100% sure about this? About PLD still doing 900 I mean. At a 3 minute timer I was struggling to keep a steady 800. It might be a case of gear, cause tbh PLD's DPS rotation is far too easy to be a case of skill. GB RA RA with use of OGC in between and proper placement of FoF to get two Goring Blades in the 30 sec window...

Top paladins yeah. Those going at AS5 right now. A PLD going at AS4 is expected to have 800 dps, which is quite reachable with current gear (of course this is full dps mode and stuff). Also, this includes potions and food, so it's a bit lower if you aren't using those.

[DGladius]

Post nerf? I highly doubt it unless you're already rocking a fully melded set of 220 crafted. Maybe on your burst, with food a pot. Most WARs are doing about 880-900 atm, DRKs do about the same if you give them a slashing debuff, and PLD is only marginally behind us both now with a slashing debuff.

Nope, 1050 at 3.5 mins with unkonvasara and 4 i150 crafted accessories.

[Fernosaur]

Top paladins yeah. Those going at AS5 right now. A PLD going at AS4 is expected to have 800 dps, which is quite reachable with current gear (of course this is full dps mode and stuff). Also, this includes potions and food, so it's a bit lower if you aren't using those.

Oh, okay. I guess we're talking 220 gear then? My numbers come from being in no party, no food and no potions in a housing dummy and not even at full 210 since I had just bought the Fending Eso accessories without upgrading them save for a ring, so I guess it's not too bad. Thanks for the quick reply!

[Kuwagami]

Oh, okay. I guess we're talking 220 gear then? My numbers come from being in no party, no food and no potions in a housing dummy and not even at full 210 since I had just bought the Fending Eso accessories without upgrading them save for a ring, so I guess it's not too bad. Thanks for the quick reply!

I think we're talking full 210 + food + pots (draconian maybe). Something one can't achieve in a regular training session unless they have gils to throw at the window on a regular basis

[Fernosaur]

Yeah, tbh the first thing I did when the patch hit was buy Fending accessories with the Law>Eso trade and test PLD's damage for the GB and RA changes. I was... slightly disappointed, but I can see how it could all get better as we get new gear. What I haven't done, however, is test the same rotations without ever entering Sword Oath. I'm curious what the damage would look like now...

[Launched]

Fun fact : the dps increase of PLD made that they were the only tank job NOT losing dps with the VIT/STR rework nerf. 900 before, 900 now. That translates into the dummies too. PLDs are 30-40 points under DRK, which are 60-80 points under WAR

You're wrong, though. The Goring/Royal changes were only a 3% DPS increase. Before the patch I could hit around 1000 on a dummy, now after the patch I'm hitting 850 with a new crafted helmet and chest. PLDs lost a lot of DPS just like WAR and DRK. You can't say they lost none when they're barely able to hit their previous level with all the raid buffs from food, potions, Trick Attack etc.

[Kuwagami]

You're wrong, though. The Goring/Royal changes were only a 3% DPS increase. Before the patch I could hit around 1000 on a dummy, now after the patch I'm hitting 850 with a new crafted helmet and chest. PLDs lost a lot of DPS just like WAR and DRK. You can't say they lost none when they're barely able to hit their previous level with all the raid buffs from food, potions, Trick Attack etc.

I guess the people who said that to me were talking about full shield oath then. sorry about the misinformation. I just got my PLD to 60 like 2 weeks before patch and couldn't min/max it as I am struggling with my new skillbars settings (the 900 after patch did come from a full sword oath friend on AS4 dummy though)