Why should warriors get a free pass to all savage content?

[Valkyrie-Amber]

If no one did complain about balance then nothing would change btw I'm happy to see warrior’s nerfed finally. Too bad you’re not the ultimate hybrid tank dps class anymore ay?

If no one complained about plds we would be in yet another ditch this patch some change is better than none. Course warriors and Darks complained because balance hurts: P
Next patch I’m sure drks will be fixed but there are far many more people that complained about pld so that happened first.

Now the only true tank issue is enmity, set the modifier from adjusted 2.7 (least I think it was) to say 3 maybe 3.2 then will be fine ballancewise.

[DGladius]

If no one did complain about balance then nothing would change btw I'm happy to see warrior’s nerfed finally. Too bad you’re not the ultimate hybrid tank dps class anymore ay?

Aren't warrior's still the strongest tank by a good amount? My war can still do 1050+ dps and provide good self healing still. Both pld and drk got hit with damage nerf too.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

and funny fact I see more threads from warriors complaining about the nerf than any other tank.

in all mmorpgs there are always your bis classes but that tends to rotate overtime due to changes and adjustments.

So bis class today may not be bis class tommoro.

[HoodRat]

Aren't warrior's still the strongest tank by a good amount? My war can still do 1050+ dps and provide good self healing still. Both pld and drk got hit with damage nerf too.

She (he?) doesn't care about plds and drks getting hit harder than warriors. She (he?) is just salty about warriors for some reason.

[Syzygian]

We were ALL nerfed. We all lost 20% of our damage, WAR lost 20% of its self-healing (except for Thrill which was arguably buffed, sorta), and DRK and PLD have to use enmity combos way more often than before resulting in an even larger DPS loss.

My war can still do 1050+ dps

Post nerf? I highly doubt it unless you're already rocking a fully melded set of 220 crafted. Maybe on your burst, with food a pot. Most WARs are doing about 880-900 atm, DRKs do about the same if you give them a slashing debuff, and PLD is only marginally behind us both now with a slashing debuff.

[AI_wass]

Most WARs are doing about 880-900 atm, DRKs do about the same if you give them a slashing debuff, and PLD is only marginally behind us both now with a slashing debuff.

PLD's no longer particularly lacking in damage, now. My i211 PLD was hitting just over 900 on a 3-minute dummy parse with food, no slashing debuff.

[NFaelivrin]

The lower aggro when out of tank stance is pretty awful though, since it, once again, only hurts PLD and DRK, while not changing SE's darling Warriors in any way. While PLD and DRK will have to struggle for aggro out of tank stance, spamming the godawful low potency combos (Halone and Power Slash) WAR can, once again, just spam Butcher's Block, and maintain aggro without lowering their DPS in any capacity. The enmity boosts in 3.2 should've been built into the skills, not into tank stances that cannot be balanced so long as both PLD and DRK need to lower their DPS to maintain aggro, while WARs don't care.

[Gameplayzero]

Tier list is something else.

idk where those scores come from but thats not how tier list are determined. They are determined by consistent results with the characters. Better characters consistently win tournaments or have better tools than the other characters. Their pros for the most part outweigh their cons and they are fairly advantageous in most encounters. Its the same thing here. Warrior is top for a good a reason. If there was a tier list even with the meta being balanced warrior would most likely still be top thanks to its toolset.

and yes tempered will is a flaw. Its cooldown is far too long and the move itself is far too situational with no side benefit. Compare it to something like raw intuition. It is only good for physical attacks BUT thanks to the side benefit of granting another stack its still worth using. Paladin has a lot of situational cooldowns in comparison to the other tanks that can be completely ignored at times. Does tempered will help? For sure. But realistically when you can dodge the mechanics like everyone else why? You don't even need it. You'll only use it once every blue moon thanks to its ridiculous wait time. Cover is nice, but again: is it needed? No. And paladin toolkit is very awkward. Correct me if i'm wrong but you have to waste 2,000 or more mp just to get a shield on other party members? Yeah you can cheat and cross class cure but that really doesn't seem worth it. Why doesn't it just self activate? yay teamwork?

the only thing I can see is if they made fights with paladins specifically in mind, but what the heck kind of balancing would that be?
balance isn't as simple as 'everyone comes close together". Its far more complicated than that.

[Whiteroom]

If no one did complain about balance then nothing would change btw I'm happy to see warrior’s nerfed finally. Too bad you’re not the ultimate hybrid tank dps class anymore ay?

If no one complained about plds we would be in yet another ditch this patch some change is better than none. Course warriors and Darks complained because balance hurts: P
Next patch I’m sure drks will be fixed but there are far many more people that complained about pld so that happened first.

Now the only true tank issue is enmity, set the modifier from adjusted 2.7 (least I think it was) to say 3 maybe 3.2 then will be fine ballancewise.

Yes yes, your cry thread totally had something to do with the changes they mentioned about all tanks awhile back.

Now, go complain about something else they have already announced they will change and be smug after...

[konpachizaraki]

The lower aggro when out of tank stance is pretty awful though, since it, once again, only hurts PLD and DRK, while not changing SE's darling Warriors in any way. While PLD and DRK will have to struggle for aggro out of tank stance, spamming the godawful low potency combos (Halone and Power Slash) WAR can, once again, just spam Butcher's Block, and maintain aggro without lowering their DPS in any capacity. The enmity boosts in 3.2 should've been built into the skills, not into tank stances that cannot be balanced so long as both PLD and DRK need to lower their DPS to maintain aggro, while WARs don't care.

except that power slash combo actually has more potency than butcher block combo
power slash 300 potency compared to 280 butcher block