Rest in peace War dps

[karateorangutang]

Just pointing out in this thread about WARs dps getting nerfed that WARs actually lost the least DPS in practice, overall, yet are complaining the loudest about the changes, going so far as to make threads in monument to their deepz, like we didn't all get shot with the same nerf gun.

I agree, and the tanks that realize that are generally the ones in this thread trying to mediate between those that are screaming "we were right, hahaha" and "my deepz is bad now /cry". All tanks took a hard hit, and some of the dynamics of the role, and not jobs, have been changed significantly. I know I will be unlikely to tank this raid cycle, on the flip side i have a good friend that is leveling his tanks with abandon because he's excited and thrilled with the changes. What goes around comes around. Pretty soon they'll buff or nerf something else and another role will falter, just like ranged DPS did in 2.0.

It is what it is, we all change and adapt to the choppy ocean that is MMORPG's.

[MagiusNecros]

Yeah just going to have to adapt even if the changes read out as 1 step forward and 2 leaps backward.

[Gameplayzero]

Just pointing out in this thread about WARs dps getting nerfed that WARs actually lost the least DPS in practice, overall, yet are complaining the loudest about the changes, going so far as to make threads in monument to their deepz, like we didn't all get shot with the same nerf gun.

because it also effects our cooldowns and self healing which is a pretty big deal? And what do you mean WARS lost the "least DPS in practice"? Isn't a 20% nerf a 20% nerf even if warrior still does more OT damage this patch most likely? Please explain.

I'm not salty about the change since I mained warrior as my first job to 50 and 60 because it was a tank first (i actually dropped warrior because of the meta and coming back to it. I just went to an actual dps at that point), but its still pretty reasonable to complain at least this early on about less potent cooldowns. I still enjoy stance dancing don't get me wrong though. Dpsing as a tank is really fun and breaks the boredom of mobs who do 0 damage. But yes tanks crying about dps just for dps sake and only worrying about the damage they do rather than the whole package are silly.

[Syzygian]

Please explain.

This thread wasn't about their self heals. It was about their DPS.

The explanation is this: Because out of tank stance damage is so much lower now, tanks can't keep aggro off DPS (or a BBing WAR) without using their hate combo. This doesn't affect WAR at all b/c their highest DPS is also their highest enmity. For PLD and DRK our lowest DPS is our highest enmity. So we're looking at a DPS loss relative to WAR when we want to stance dance, which WAR doesn't need to worry about.

Not complaining, just pointing out that this thread is a little stupid. DRK and PLD have to use their hate combo now way more than is efficient to stance dance; with WAR, nothing changed in that area.

[Gameplayzero]

logic

All TC said was they don't feel as strong anymore which is somewhat ambiguous. Some people mentioned cooldowns as well so I wouldn't say topic was all dps focused (even if thats where majority of the complaints are coming from). But TC is right. Warrior overall definitely doesn't feel as powerful ignoring the obvious nerf to all tanks. Its far more noticeable on warrior imo because our damage WAS part of our mitigation.

And I understand. You are indeed correct. Warriors can stay out of DPS stance longer which is more dps in the long run. But you make it seem like they still can infinitely stay in dps stance like the old days. I don't think thats the case against a good dps, but I haven't had a proper environment to test this myself so I could be terribly wrong.

[Dualgunner]

This thread wasn't about their self heals. It was about their DPS.

The explanation is this: Because out of tank stance damage is so much lower now, tanks can't keep aggro off DPS (or a BBing WAR) without using their hate combo. This doesn't affect WAR at all b/c their highest DPS is also their highest enmity. For PLD and DRK our lowest DPS is our highest enmity. So we're looking at a DPS loss relative to WAR when we want to stance dance, which WAR doesn't need to worry about.

Not complaining, just pointing out that this thread is a little stupid. DRK and PLD have to use their hate combo now way more than is efficient to stance dance; with WAR, nothing changed in that area.

Except they still need to incorporate Storm's Eye and, if they're MT, Storm's Path, right? I would think that having to manage all three combos would still be difficult especially with a heavier emphasis on Butcher's Block.

[Omni-Vocational_Ryan]

i'd be fine with being all vit right side if my aggro and self heals weren't utterly destroyed. for a self heal based tank i don't do alot of self healing anymore.

[Omni-Vocational_Ryan]

Except they still need to incorporate Storm's Eye and, if they're MT, Storm's Path, right? I would think that having to manage all three combos would still be difficult especially with a heavier emphasis on Butcher's Block.

ideally both should be up as eye boosts the off tank and the main tanks damage and aggro, and path makes it easier to heal us.

[Dualgunner]

ideally both should be up as eye boosts the off tank and the main tanks damage and aggro, and path makes it easier to heal us.

I believe he's talking in 4-man content where the only tank is the main tank, and he's discussing how needing to use the aggro combo is more annoying for PLD and DRK than WAR because WAR's aggro combo is its highest potency combo. What I was asking was wouldn't you get to the point you need to sacrifice the Path/Eye combo, if indeed you need to Butcher's Block more just to keep aggro?

EDIT: Keep in mind these are genuine questions from a DPS main who just happens to play tank when I'm bored enough to try it.

[Iagainsti]

People are still trying to get WAR nerf because how strong we are as off tanks. I'm a WAR for life and I love being a tank regardless of the changes. But this sounds mean, kind of hard to enjoy a game when people are always complaining about nothing. Some things needed to be fixed on certain classes but the whole balancing out jobs to accommodate bad plays or make all jobs viable equally is getting old. I could understand if you had to make new toons or accounts to enjoy the game but you don't....just stubborn players crying to get their way.

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